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October 20, 2005, 6:44 am PDT
 Quote From: openmind1
Jesus didn't gay people but he sure did HATE hypocrites! I see quite a few of them here on this message board. They are people who have become so full of pride and self-righteousness because they worship the bible AS GOD's WORD instead of JESUS as GOD'S WORD. They think by doing so they can get free license to predict God’s mind on EVERYTHING and use the bible to judge others.
THIS IS CALLED FUNDAMENTALISM. It is hypocritical. WHY?
Because NO CHRISTIAN ever obeys the entire bible. It is impossible. Even Paul said he cannot do it. Read Romans 7:15 to 25. Paul says he CANNOT STOP SINNING! HE JUST CANNOT DO IT! Therefore it amazes me how religious homophobes pick and choose which sins they want to biblically condemn according to their prejudices, personal comforts and popular opinion. These fundamentalist Christian sects are taking old outdated laws in Leviticus and Paul’s letters to the Christians living over 2000 years ago OUT OF CONTEXT and demanding slavish obedience to them. It’s like Jesus never came and set us free of this kind of dogmatic bondage. Bible fundamentalism results in laziness, literalism, hypocrisy, self-righteousness, complacency and rejection of scientific facts and modern discoveries leading to dogmatic stupidity.
I want people to know that not ALL Christians are like these fundamentalist hypocrites. There are those of us out there who are still fair-minded people who do not impose impossible biblical standards on others when we KNOW FOR A FACT we cannot follow it ourselves. As Christians the ONLY person we are supposed to follow is Jesus. Only Christ is absolute. Christ IS the THE word John 1:14. To worship ANY OTHER THING as the word of God is idolatry.Fundamentalists insist we need to follow Paul's suggestions as if they were GOD'S LAWS. But do they follow Paul in ALL things? They gloss over the fact that Paul also condoned slavery in Titus 2:9-10 and Ephesians 6:5 and believed women should not teach or have authority over a man in 1Corinthians 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:11-15. Do these sects also follow this? Many of them don't.
The truth is, we are not Paulians, we are Christians. Paul was just a human sinner like you and me, expressing his own feelings on spiritual matters. Paul and his writings are no different than any human priest or pastor today writing today. And just like today, even back then not all apostles agreed with Paul. Peter often disagreed with Paul’s approach and writings, calling them “Difficult to understand” and contain things which the “unlearned and unstable” preoccupy themselves with. See 2 Peter 3:16. IF Peter can disagree with Paul on certain matters and not take everything he said literally, so to can ANY CHRISTIAN. Even PAUL HIMSELF said in Romans 14:5 “Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” In other words, USE YOUR BRAIN and THINK FOR YOURSELF.
The ONLY figure ANY Christian needs to follow is Christ.
If your Christian sect is NOT teaching this as THE CORE of its doctrine and they are placing OTHER burdens or rules on you as Jesus warned some would Matthew 23:4, then they are nothing but Pharisees in disguise. If you are gay and in a sect that is causing you to experience self-hatred, suicidal thoughts, rejection, isolation, etc. then you are not in a religious sect that is following Christ but their OWN fundamentalist agenda. WOO HOO
thank you thank you
VERY VERY VERY well said, thought, put, whatever.. this is good!!!
Pat yourself on the back for this one!!!
Thanks Tammy :)
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October 20, 2005, 1:39 pm PDT
Quote From: openmind1
Jesus didn't gay people but he sure did HATE hypocrites! I see quite a few of them here on this message board. They are people who have become so full of pride and self-righteousness because they worship the bible AS GOD's WORD instead of JESUS as GOD'S WORD. They think by doing so they can get free license to predict God’s mind on EVERYTHING and use the bible to judge others.
THIS IS CALLED FUNDAMENTALISM. It is hypocritical. WHY?
Because NO CHRISTIAN ever obeys the entire bible. It is impossible. Even Paul said he cannot do it. Read Romans 7:15 to 25. Paul says he CANNOT STOP SINNING! HE JUST CANNOT DO IT! Therefore it amazes me how religious homophobes pick and choose which sins they want to biblically condemn according to their prejudices, personal comforts and popular opinion. These fundamentalist Christian sects are taking old outdated laws in Leviticus and Paul’s letters to the Christians living over 2000 years ago OUT OF CONTEXT and demanding slavish obedience to them. It’s like Jesus never came and set us free of this kind of dogmatic bondage. Bible fundamentalism results in laziness, literalism, hypocrisy, self-righteousness, complacency and rejection of scientific facts and modern discoveries leading to dogmatic stupidity.
I want people to know that not ALL Christians are like these fundamentalist hypocrites. There are those of us out there who are still fair-minded people who do not impose impossible biblical standards on others when we KNOW FOR A FACT we cannot follow it ourselves. As Christians the ONLY person we are supposed to follow is Jesus. Only Christ is absolute. Christ IS the THE word John 1:14. To worship ANY OTHER THING as the word of God is idolatry.Fundamentalists insist we need to follow Paul's suggestions as if they were GOD'S LAWS. But do they follow Paul in ALL things? They gloss over the fact that Paul also condoned slavery in Titus 2:9-10 and Ephesians 6:5 and believed women should not teach or have authority over a man in 1Corinthians 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:11-15. Do these sects also follow this? Many of them don't.
The truth is, we are not Paulians, we are Christians. Paul was just a human sinner like you and me, expressing his own feelings on spiritual matters. Paul and his writings are no different than any human priest or pastor today writing today. And just like today, even back then not all apostles agreed with Paul. Peter often disagreed with Paul’s approach and writings, calling them “Difficult to understand” and contain things which the “unlearned and unstable” preoccupy themselves with. See 2 Peter 3:16. IF Peter can disagree with Paul on certain matters and not take everything he said literally, so to can ANY CHRISTIAN. Even PAUL HIMSELF said in Romans 14:5 “Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” In other words, USE YOUR BRAIN and THINK FOR YOURSELF.
The ONLY figure ANY Christian needs to follow is Christ.
If your Christian sect is NOT teaching this as THE CORE of its doctrine and they are placing OTHER burdens or rules on you as Jesus warned some would Matthew 23:4, then they are nothing but Pharisees in disguise. If you are gay and in a sect that is causing you to experience self-hatred, suicidal thoughts, rejection, isolation, etc. then you are not in a religious sect that is following Christ but their OWN fundamentalist agenda. Christians do not claim to be sinless! We simply want people to understand that homosexuality, according to the written Word of God, is a sin. Christians are just tired of hearing society making excuses as to why homosexuality is OK. If you believe in the Holy Bible, you will believe homosexuality is wrong.
All sin is forgivable- yes. But you have to repent and give that sin up to God. Jesus died on the cross for our sins, so that we could be forgiven. If Jesus did not die and rise again, we would never have a chance to be rightous enough to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Jesus told the Pharisees not to cast stones(literally) at the prostitute because they were not without sin, but Jesus told her to "go and sin no more." That is what we are supposed to do. Admitt when we sin and sin no more.
In reference to following Christ: Matthew 21:11-13 tells of Jesus being so upset that He overturned tables. Jesus was not always a big teddy bear that people who do not seriously study scripture claim Him to be. Yes, we are to Love the Lord with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and love our neighbor as ourself. But we are to love the person and hate the sin.
God allowed Pauls writings to be in His Holy book. If you don't believe the ENTIRE bible, then you will not understand what God wants of us. You can't pick and choose what sin is really bad or not. If so, we could not have any laws. Where do you think the laws against murder and stealing came from? If not God, who had the right to decide that murder is not right?
If you are gay and you are experiencing self-hatred, suicidal thoughts, rejection, isolation, etc, that is your conscience that God gave you telling hyou something. Wihout a conscience, you would not care what people think of you. |
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October 20, 2005, 5:16 pm PDT
Quote From: openmind1
Jesus didn't gay people but he sure did HATE hypocrites! I see quite a few of them here on this message board. They are people who have become so full of pride and self-righteousness because they worship the bible AS GOD's WORD instead of JESUS as GOD'S WORD. They think by doing so they can get free license to predict God’s mind on EVERYTHING and use the bible to judge others.
THIS IS CALLED FUNDAMENTALISM. It is hypocritical. WHY?
Because NO CHRISTIAN ever obeys the entire bible. It is impossible. Even Paul said he cannot do it. Read Romans 7:15 to 25. Paul says he CANNOT STOP SINNING! HE JUST CANNOT DO IT! Therefore it amazes me how religious homophobes pick and choose which sins they want to biblically condemn according to their prejudices, personal comforts and popular opinion. These fundamentalist Christian sects are taking old outdated laws in Leviticus and Paul’s letters to the Christians living over 2000 years ago OUT OF CONTEXT and demanding slavish obedience to them. It’s like Jesus never came and set us free of this kind of dogmatic bondage. Bible fundamentalism results in laziness, literalism, hypocrisy, self-righteousness, complacency and rejection of scientific facts and modern discoveries leading to dogmatic stupidity.
I want people to know that not ALL Christians are like these fundamentalist hypocrites. There are those of us out there who are still fair-minded people who do not impose impossible biblical standards on others when we KNOW FOR A FACT we cannot follow it ourselves. As Christians the ONLY person we are supposed to follow is Jesus. Only Christ is absolute. Christ IS the THE word John 1:14. To worship ANY OTHER THING as the word of God is idolatry.Fundamentalists insist we need to follow Paul's suggestions as if they were GOD'S LAWS. But do they follow Paul in ALL things? They gloss over the fact that Paul also condoned slavery in Titus 2:9-10 and Ephesians 6:5 and believed women should not teach or have authority over a man in 1Corinthians 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:11-15. Do these sects also follow this? Many of them don't.
The truth is, we are not Paulians, we are Christians. Paul was just a human sinner like you and me, expressing his own feelings on spiritual matters. Paul and his writings are no different than any human priest or pastor today writing today. And just like today, even back then not all apostles agreed with Paul. Peter often disagreed with Paul’s approach and writings, calling them “Difficult to understand” and contain things which the “unlearned and unstable” preoccupy themselves with. See 2 Peter 3:16. IF Peter can disagree with Paul on certain matters and not take everything he said literally, so to can ANY CHRISTIAN. Even PAUL HIMSELF said in Romans 14:5 “Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” In other words, USE YOUR BRAIN and THINK FOR YOURSELF.
The ONLY figure ANY Christian needs to follow is Christ.
If your Christian sect is NOT teaching this as THE CORE of its doctrine and they are placing OTHER burdens or rules on you as Jesus warned some would Matthew 23:4, then they are nothing but Pharisees in disguise. If you are gay and in a sect that is causing you to experience self-hatred, suicidal thoughts, rejection, isolation, etc. then you are not in a religious sect that is following Christ but their OWN fundamentalist agenda. I enjoyed your post thoroughly! |
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