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October 20, 2005, 1:04 pm PDT

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Actually there are two different versions of creation in the Bible.  

  

In Genesis chapter 1, male and female human beings, plural of each gender, were made at the very same time. And, there is says that God said "be fruitful and multiply." Humans are made after the land animals are created. In that chapter, God (plural) states, "Let us make humans in our images (literally)."  

  

But, in Genesis chapter 2, a human being (the proper translation of "adam" in context) is created and then God creates plants and also creates the garden/park known as "Eden." Then, God (the Hebrew word is actually plural, not singular) puts the human, aka the adam (the Hebrew word for "the" is used there), in the garden. 

  

When they (God) realized that the human is lonely, they said literally, "It is not good for the human to be alone; let US (plural) make a helper suitable for him."  

  

The KJV has "help meet" (note TWO words) for "helper suitable." "Helper" in the Hebrew text is "ezer" which is masculine (that's male in sex/gender). Some people think that "meet" means "mate" when "ezer" is another word for "mate." A helper who is a woman would be an "ezerah," which is the female form of "ezer." "Neged" is the word translated as "meet" or "suitable." A "neged" can be an identical copy of an original. Or it can be a copy of something with everything reversed as far as viewing is concerned.  

  

So the first adam had an identical copy of himself made (by God) which would have been a mirror image of himself if he were to look into a mirror.  

  

If you properly read the text, it was not God who said that the 2nd human being was an "eshah" (meaning taken from an "eesh") or was a "woman" because the 2nd person was taken from a "man," it was the 1st human who said that.  

  

Not even one time in Genesis chapter 2 does God tell those two humans they created to "be fruitful and multiply." Nothing is related to sexual reproduction until Genesis chapter 2 after the two humans eat of the fruit of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil." That was the only thing the humans were told not to do. 

  

In chapter 3, when God (plural) asks, "Adam, where are you?" The verb in that question is plural and "adam," being a colletive noun, has the same spelling in Hebrew in both the singular and plural. "Adam" is like our words, "sheep" or "deer," which are spelled the same in singular or plural usage.  

  

Also, God NEVER calls/names the 2nd person "Eve." It is the first human who gives "her" that name. In Genesis 5, it is stated that God called both male and female human beings "adam."  

I don't remember ever reading that in the bible.Only the Mormon bibles have that.
 
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October 21, 2005, 5:12 am PDT

Actually, there is another version as well

Quote From: tulseyjoe

Actually there are two different versions of creation in the Bible.  

  

In Genesis chapter 1, male and female human beings, plural of each gender, were made at the very same time. And, there is says that God said "be fruitful and multiply." Humans are made after the land animals are created. In that chapter, God (plural) states, "Let us make humans in our images (literally)."  

  

But, in Genesis chapter 2, a human being (the proper translation of "adam" in context) is created and then God creates plants and also creates the garden/park known as "Eden." Then, God (the Hebrew word is actually plural, not singular) puts the human, aka the adam (the Hebrew word for "the" is used there), in the garden. 

  

When they (God) realized that the human is lonely, they said literally, "It is not good for the human to be alone; let US (plural) make a helper suitable for him."  

  

The KJV has "help meet" (note TWO words) for "helper suitable." "Helper" in the Hebrew text is "ezer" which is masculine (that's male in sex/gender). Some people think that "meet" means "mate" when "ezer" is another word for "mate." A helper who is a woman would be an "ezerah," which is the female form of "ezer." "Neged" is the word translated as "meet" or "suitable." A "neged" can be an identical copy of an original. Or it can be a copy of something with everything reversed as far as viewing is concerned.  

  

So the first adam had an identical copy of himself made (by God) which would have been a mirror image of himself if he were to look into a mirror.  

  

If you properly read the text, it was not God who said that the 2nd human being was an "eshah" (meaning taken from an "eesh") or was a "woman" because the 2nd person was taken from a "man," it was the 1st human who said that.  

  

Not even one time in Genesis chapter 2 does God tell those two humans they created to "be fruitful and multiply." Nothing is related to sexual reproduction until Genesis chapter 2 after the two humans eat of the fruit of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil." That was the only thing the humans were told not to do. 

  

In chapter 3, when God (plural) asks, "Adam, where are you?" The verb in that question is plural and "adam," being a colletive noun, has the same spelling in Hebrew in both the singular and plural. "Adam" is like our words, "sheep" or "deer," which are spelled the same in singular or plural usage.  

  

Also, God NEVER calls/names the 2nd person "Eve." It is the first human who gives "her" that name. In Genesis 5, it is stated that God called both male and female human beings "adam."  

In the Gospel According To Thomas there is another verson of the Creation story too.    That is one of the texts that got thrown out of the Bible.  If youre interested in it im pretty sure you can read it online.  Pull up the Gnostic Scriptures and you will find a whole mess of books that were written in the same time as the Bible.  (a side note...some are calculated to have been written even closer to the original time of Jesus then the remaining Gospels in the modern day Bible were)  The Gospel According To Thomas will be among those many books. 

  

My personal opinion on why this particular book got tossed is because of the way women are portrayed in it.  In this Gospel, Jesus holds Mary above his male disciples.    Even so much as the men disciples(or apostles~whichever you prefer) were downright pissy and more then a tad jelaous over his sharing information with her that he wouldnt with them.  There are a few verses in there where the disciples go to Jesus angry and basically wanting to know whats up with that.  tehehe   ;) 

  

Just thought I would fill you in in case youre interested in reading other accounts of the story of Creation.  A word of warning though,  I wouldnt reccomend reading this Gospel unless you have an open mind.  If you have never heard of it before it could offend you as it has many versions of  Bible stories with quite a different twist.  However, it does have alot of the same stuff as well.     

 


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