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October 23, 2005, 8:44 pm PDT

We Disagree On Punishment

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My 13 yr old daughter brought home a bad report card. It had a 50 in math a57 in language and a 69 in science. the rest were A's and B's. She was grounded all last year( yes the entire year) for C's. She shows pigs and we raise them she has learned alot from this. And she has won many things. This is something she is very good at and something that she loves. She is in extra  help for math. My husband is very strict on her. He has taken all the pigs away from her I mean sold all of them, he has grounded her, and now he thinks we should just be mean to her everyday. He spanked her 3 times last night because she did not have the amount of math problems done in the time that he allows. I think this is alittle extreme. He has only been her father for 4 years.( her real father doesn't care. He stated that he would sign away his rights to her so my husband can adopt her. which he does want to do.) He thinks because he can feel as if she  was his own she should automaticaly feel the same. I mean she loves him. but now she has made the statement she does not want him to adopt her. How can I explain to him he is hurting the situation? 

I think that he is extreme and that he still need to make sure she knows he loves her. 

He told her last night he did not want her to say anything to him about school because she was a lier. because she lied to us. I think that he should still offer for her to talk to him, then we can check it out to find out if she is lying. 

Any advice will help. 

I honestly think that your husband is bad for your daughter. She obviously seems to be trying really hard, attending extra help maths classes and all. Perhaps your husband has to accept that your daughter is not gifted or talented academically, and perhaps she is better at a sport, or cooking, or at showing pigs as you say she does. There is no reason at all why your husband should make your daughter feel depressed because she is unable to do well academically, especially as she is trying hard. Indeed, maybe she doesn't feel as though she can do well academically because she receives such low-self-esteem remarks from him all day at home, and he may well be the cause of the problem. Your husband should also accept that he is not her father, and even if he was, no father has the right to treat their daughter like that and make them feel bad for their academic ability. Like you said, he is hurting the situation. She doesn't seem to be able to do any better than she is doing, and his behaviour towards her is only going to cause her to resent him in the future, and perhaps cause her to want to do badly to spite him. 

You need to talk to your husband about the possible long term effects of his actions towards your daughter. 

 
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October 29, 2005, 12:23 pm PDT

EASE UP ON HER

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My 13 yr old daughter brought home a bad report card. It had a 50 in math a57 in language and a 69 in science. the rest were A's and B's. She was grounded all last year( yes the entire year) for C's. She shows pigs and we raise them she has learned alot from this. And she has won many things. This is something she is very good at and something that she loves. She is in extra  help for math. My husband is very strict on her. He has taken all the pigs away from her I mean sold all of them, he has grounded her, and now he thinks we should just be mean to her everyday. He spanked her 3 times last night because she did not have the amount of math problems done in the time that he allows. I think this is alittle extreme. He has only been her father for 4 years.( her real father doesn't care. He stated that he would sign away his rights to her so my husband can adopt her. which he does want to do.) He thinks because he can feel as if she  was his own she should automaticaly feel the same. I mean she loves him. but now she has made the statement she does not want him to adopt her. How can I explain to him he is hurting the situation? 

I think that he is extreme and that he still need to make sure she knows he loves her. 

He told her last night he did not want her to say anything to him about school because she was a lier. because she lied to us. I think that he should still offer for her to talk to him, then we can check it out to find out if she is lying. 

Any advice will help. 

YOU REALLY NEED TO STOP THIS FROM GOING ON ANY FURTHER.I'M A MOTHER OF THREE CHILDREN.MY KIDS HAVE A STEP FATHER AND I'M A STEPCHILD MYSELF. I WOULD NOT ALLOW MY HUSBAND TO DO THAT TO ANY OF MY CHILDREN.IF MY MOTHER ALLOWED THAT I WOULD HAVE HATED HER FOR IT.YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR HUSBAND THAT MAYBE YOUR CHILD MIGHT HAVE A LEARNING PROBLEM OR SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON.MY SON IS 11 YRS. OLD AND HAVING PROBLEMS IN MATH.HE IS IN AFTER SCHOOL TUTORING.IT HELPS A LITTLE NOT A LOT.THAT'S WHERE MY HUSBAND AND MYSELF COME IN AND HELP HIM.WE TRY AND WORK OUT THE PROBLEMS TOGETHER.MAYBE SHE NEEDS GLASSES OR YOU COULD TALK TO HER TEACHER ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HELP HER.PLEASE DO NOT LET YOU HUSBAND KEEP SPANKING HER.TAKE IT FROM ME MY STEPFATHER DID DO THAT AND I HATED HIM FOR IT. 
 
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October 29, 2005, 7:08 pm PDT

It's your daughter!

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My 13 yr old daughter brought home a bad report card. It had a 50 in math a57 in language and a 69 in science. the rest were A's and B's. She was grounded all last year( yes the entire year) for C's. She shows pigs and we raise them she has learned alot from this. And she has won many things. This is something she is very good at and something that she loves. She is in extra  help for math. My husband is very strict on her. He has taken all the pigs away from her I mean sold all of them, he has grounded her, and now he thinks we should just be mean to her everyday. He spanked her 3 times last night because she did not have the amount of math problems done in the time that he allows. I think this is alittle extreme. He has only been her father for 4 years.( her real father doesn't care. He stated that he would sign away his rights to her so my husband can adopt her. which he does want to do.) He thinks because he can feel as if she  was his own she should automaticaly feel the same. I mean she loves him. but now she has made the statement she does not want him to adopt her. How can I explain to him he is hurting the situation? 

I think that he is extreme and that he still need to make sure she knows he loves her. 

He told her last night he did not want her to say anything to him about school because she was a lier. because she lied to us. I think that he should still offer for her to talk to him, then we can check it out to find out if she is lying. 

Any advice will help. 

 I do hope you read this since it's been a few days.  As I read your email, I couldn't help but feel for this 13 year-old.  Does a 13 year-old really get spanked?  This seems highly inappropriate.  Just the thought of a man putting his hands on your daughter makes me sick.  How could you stand by and let this happen?  The fact that she was spanked 3 times in one night deeply disturbs me and I feel like authorities should come into your home for child abuse!   I  personally would not let anyone spank my child who is not the dad.  But, I must tell you that I do not believe in spanking to teach.  What is she learning by this?  She is only going to hate this man, if she doesn't already she is a Saint.   Your child is your first priority, if the husband doesn't like it then too bad!  Tell him to get involved somewhere else and let you deal with her studies.  Sometimes you have to stand up and be strong for your daughters sake, she doesn't have anyone else but you!!!!!!
 
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June 28, 2006, 1:40 pm PDT

What's REALLY going on?

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My 13 yr old daughter brought home a bad report card. It had a 50 in math a57 in language and a 69 in science. the rest were A's and B's. She was grounded all last year( yes the entire year) for C's. She shows pigs and we raise them she has learned alot from this. And she has won many things. This is something she is very good at and something that she loves. She is in extra  help for math. My husband is very strict on her. He has taken all the pigs away from her I mean sold all of them, he has grounded her, and now he thinks we should just be mean to her everyday. He spanked her 3 times last night because she did not have the amount of math problems done in the time that he allows. I think this is alittle extreme. He has only been her father for 4 years.( her real father doesn't care. He stated that he would sign away his rights to her so my husband can adopt her. which he does want to do.) He thinks because he can feel as if she  was his own she should automaticaly feel the same. I mean she loves him. but now she has made the statement she does not want him to adopt her. How can I explain to him he is hurting the situation? 

I think that he is extreme and that he still need to make sure she knows he loves her. 

He told her last night he did not want her to say anything to him about school because she was a lier. because she lied to us. I think that he should still offer for her to talk to him, then we can check it out to find out if she is lying. 

Any advice will help. 

 I can't tell from reading this post if anyone has ever really tried to figure out what is going on with this young girl. Why are her grades so poor? Does she have a learning disability? Is she having problems with friends/teachers at school? Is she just totally unmotivated? Instead of simply punishing the results, why not look for the cause? Have you talked to her teachers to see what they think?
As a teacher of 7th graders (12 and 13 year olds), I've seen many parents react the same way because they are frustrated and want the problem fixed immediately. Grades are important and your daughter needs to take school seriously, but the adults in her life need to try to understand where she is coming from as they help redirect her. No doubt part of the problem is the power struggle that has taken over your house. I learned quickly that as soon as I agreed to enter a power struggle with a child this age, I had lost. You can't win. Kids this age are very smart, but they aren't very logical. Instead of coming to the problem with the idea that you'll take away everything that's important to her and put her under strict guidelines, how about trying to talk to her with a less charged atmosphere. Really LISTEN to what she says and try to come to some compromise while still making sure that you keep her best interest in mind. Explain WHY you're so worried about her performance and what the results will be. Kids this age usually don't have any idea what consequences their actions will have in the long run; they just know what feels good right now.
 
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June 29, 2006, 9:50 am PDT

We Disagree On Punishment

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My 13 yr old daughter brought home a bad report card. It had a 50 in math a57 in language and a 69 in science. the rest were A's and B's. She was grounded all last year( yes the entire year) for C's. She shows pigs and we raise them she has learned alot from this. And she has won many things. This is something she is very good at and something that she loves. She is in extra  help for math. My husband is very strict on her. He has taken all the pigs away from her I mean sold all of them, he has grounded her, and now he thinks we should just be mean to her everyday. He spanked her 3 times last night because she did not have the amount of math problems done in the time that he allows. I think this is alittle extreme. He has only been her father for 4 years.( her real father doesn't care. He stated that he would sign away his rights to her so my husband can adopt her. which he does want to do.) He thinks because he can feel as if she  was his own she should automaticaly feel the same. I mean she loves him. but now she has made the statement she does not want him to adopt her. How can I explain to him he is hurting the situation? 

I think that he is extreme and that he still need to make sure she knows he loves her. 

He told her last night he did not want her to say anything to him about school because she was a lier. because she lied to us. I think that he should still offer for her to talk to him, then we can check it out to find out if she is lying. 

Any advice will help. 

Hi - I actually registered to this site just to send you a message about your daughter....I have never even been on the Dr. Phil website before.  I wanted to write to you because I had a stepfather when I was young that believed in the same types of punishments.  I felt completely devalued.  I think it is important to find ways to discipline our children without breaking them down or taking away the qualities that make them who they are.  Also, the discipline should be in reaction to the behavior, but should maintain the relationship between the child and parent.  She must still feel loved, and not abandoned by you(her primary caregiver).  Treat her like she's still a person regardless of her behavior, and give her things to reach for as opposed to putting her in a situation where she feels worthless and has nothing left to look forward to.  Why should she do better if there's nothing to look forward to?  If she's grounded for extended periods of time and all of her favorite things are gone (this happened to me when I was her age), the thinking becomes, why should I do better, I'm always going to be stuck in this situation?  It's such a feeling of loneliness.  I don't know the answer, but I really hope that you both try a new approach for your daughter's sake.  I'm 30 yrs. old now, and I still look back and wonder why my mother didn't stand up for me during my extended punishments.
 
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July 19, 2006, 4:08 am PDT

Hubby needs help in punishment

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My 13 yr old daughter brought home a bad report card. It had a 50 in math a57 in language and a 69 in science. the rest were A's and B's. She was grounded all last year( yes the entire year) for C's. She shows pigs and we raise them she has learned alot from this. And she has won many things. This is something she is very good at and something that she loves. She is in extra  help for math. My husband is very strict on her. He has taken all the pigs away from her I mean sold all of them, he has grounded her, and now he thinks we should just be mean to her everyday. He spanked her 3 times last night because she did not have the amount of math problems done in the time that he allows. I think this is alittle extreme. He has only been her father for 4 years.( her real father doesn't care. He stated that he would sign away his rights to her so my husband can adopt her. which he does want to do.) He thinks because he can feel as if she  was his own she should automaticaly feel the same. I mean she loves him. but now she has made the statement she does not want him to adopt her. How can I explain to him he is hurting the situation? 

I think that he is extreme and that he still need to make sure she knows he loves her. 

He told her last night he did not want her to say anything to him about school because she was a lier. because she lied to us. I think that he should still offer for her to talk to him, then we can check it out to find out if she is lying. 

Any advice will help. 

Your daughter seems to be a very bright and intelligent young girl. She is at an age where her hormones are running rampant. Your husband need not take everything away from her, especially her favorite items. Yes her math and language have to be brought up to a passing grade but if everything is taken away why would she want to improve? Sit down and talk with her. Is she willing to accept help from a friend or tutor. This just may be a bad spot at this time that she is having a hard time with. Sometimes sitting down with her and helping out, letting her know that you and your husband truly care helps. Lets face it, if she's having a hard time and can't do the work, why try when she's going to be punished regardless. What expectations does your husband want from her. We all can't be perfect. Has she always lagged in Math and Language, if so get her help. 

If he's calling her a liar, nothing is more demeaning. She needs that chance to talk, perhaps she wants to say I need help. This punishment will carry with her for a lifetime and its not fair. Speak with the school and see how she is doing and what areas she needs help. What do they have to offer. Those who accuse someone of lying are they themselves liars and don't trust people. 

Good luck to your daughter. I have raised 3 children, all out of school now. Some years were great and others weren't. They picked themselves up though and learnt by it. Keep in mind, Life is a Learning Lesson. She is already hurting inside she doesn't need the extra hurt and pain inflicted. 

Good Luck 

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July 9, 2007, 7:05 am PDT

we disagree on punishment

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My 13 yr old daughter brought home a bad report card. It had a 50 in math a57 in language and a 69 in science. the rest were A's and B's. She was grounded all last year( yes the entire year) for C's. She shows pigs and we raise them she has learned alot from this. And she has won many things. This is something she is very good at and something that she loves. She is in extra  help for math. My husband is very strict on her. He has taken all the pigs away from her I mean sold all of them, he has grounded her, and now he thinks we should just be mean to her everyday. He spanked her 3 times last night because she did not have the amount of math problems done in the time that he allows. I think this is alittle extreme. He has only been her father for 4 years.( her real father doesn't care. He stated that he would sign away his rights to her so my husband can adopt her. which he does want to do.) He thinks because he can feel as if she  was his own she should automaticaly feel the same. I mean she loves him. but now she has made the statement she does not want him to adopt her. How can I explain to him he is hurting the situation? 

I think that he is extreme and that he still need to make sure she knows he loves her. 

He told her last night he did not want her to say anything to him about school because she was a lier. because she lied to us. I think that he should still offer for her to talk to him, then we can check it out to find out if she is lying. 

Any advice will help. 

13 year old girls should not be spanked especially by a stepparent. by allowing this you are just as guilty. your daughter needs a tutor. not an abusive adult!!!!
 


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