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October 21, 2005, 4:28 pm PDT

Glad you brought up 1 Cor 6:9!

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 1 Cor 6:9  Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God:  do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitues nor homosexual offenders.  NIV

Besides the Bible doesn't have to mention the word homosexuality.  Sometimes it say's man should not lay with another man.  Also, it pretty easy to see God's plan for man.  To be with one women and to reproduce. 

The thing is, God doesn't like any type of sexual immorality.  He also doesn't like for us to put anything or any one before him.  Anjela on the show appeared to live and breathe sex. 

The key to this passage is the Greek word "arsenokoitais". Because this word was not used in common Greek language Bible scholars are at odds on how it should be interpreted. Translations vary from “Sodomite” (Worrell) – referring to people who act like the people of Sodom, to “abusers of themselves with mankind” (KJ) to “homosexual” (e.g. NIV although NKJ translates the same word to be “Sodomite” in 1 Timothy 1:9-10). The best definition of this word that I’ve seen is found in an article titled "A New Look at Arsenokoitais" by Paul R. Johnson: 

  

"The Greek compound term arseno-koitais literally means ‘the male who has many beds’. The word arsen means ‘male’, the adjective o means ‘the’, and the term koitais is defined as ‘many beds’. Thus, the entire phrase means a male with multiple bed-partners; a promiscuous man. Everywhere that the word koitais is used in the plural in the Bible denotes promiscuity. However, when the same word is used in the singular form, the Bible gives approval because the singular denotes monogamy."    

  

 

Basically what we are talking about here is a man who sleeps around with little to no regard for themselves (i.e. “abuser of themselves with others”) or others (i.e. like the people of “Sodom”). Both attributes which clearly break the commandment of love. 

 

  

The problem with interpreting is that not all homosexuals are promiscuously jump around from bed to bed with little regard for themselves or others. On the other hand there are clearly heterosexuals that DO fit this description. So we have to ask ourselves. Is Timothy decrying wanton promiscuity regardless of ones sexual orientation or is the focus of his text male homosexuality? 

 

There are much better write ups on this passage of Scripture in www.gaychurch.org in the section titled "Gay and Christian?" but these thoughts should help.  

 
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October 22, 2005, 2:02 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 1 Cor 6:9  Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God:  do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitues nor homosexual offenders.  NIV

Besides the Bible doesn't have to mention the word homosexuality.  Sometimes it say's man should not lay with another man.  Also, it pretty easy to see God's plan for man.  To be with one women and to reproduce. 

The thing is, God doesn't like any type of sexual immorality.  He also doesn't like for us to put anything or any one before him.  Anjela on the show appeared to live and breathe sex. 

the bible also says it's immoral to eat shellfish (I am SO serious - check out leviticus 10:10). maybe you guys could give the queers a break for a bit, and go hate on all the oyster-eaters of the world for a while. 

  

and don't even get me started on the bible supporting slavery and violence against women. if you wanna be THAT literal with the bible, you need to not only hate the gays, but also hit your wife, buy a slave, sacrafice a bull and torment the shellfish-eating evil-doers of the world. i don't know why so many christians stop at hating the gays, when all that other stuff needs doing. 

  

also, if god's plan is for men to get with women and reproduce, that would mean infertile couples should not be having sex? or old couples? or couples who don't want kids right away? 

  

re: the last comment. do you mean that god made every person a sexual being, with a sexual self and sexual desires, not to mention sexual organs that have no function aside from pleasure - but he didn't want us to enjoy ourselves?? just wanted us to get it doen to reproduce? what an odd plan... 

 


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