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December 2, 2008, 10:05 am PST

12/05 School Discipline: Out of Control?

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What really scares me is the power we have given to the children and that is a fact.

 

When I went to school it seems in the year of the flood the teachers had absolute power there were no if's and's or or's we knew had the law in their hands. Teachers had a paddle on their desks and they would always start out the class that this talks and they would place it where everyone could see. So sat there and behaved the entire class and you actually learned.

The biggest thing we learned for every actions there is a reaction and we didn't want the reaction. When I was in twelve grade someone threw freshly chewed gum in my hair and I was so mad all I saw was red. I took it out my head and started to throw it back. Guess who got in trouble? ME.

She called me up and put on the stage (it was in speech class0 took her paddle out and whipped in front of the entier class. I didn't feel it because I had so many slips on but it taught me a lesson and what do you think it was? Two wrongs never make a right or for action there is a reaction I never forgot that and that is the way I have lived.

Now mind you the teachers had the permission from the parents to do anything they needed to do to their children for them to behave without fear and that is the way it should be today and there won't be so much trouble in schools and that is a fact. There was no such thing as child abuse in schools as there is today.

 

 

 

 

I do understand where you are coming from but: it is not the good teachers, those who would only use discipline measures that woud be the problem that could solve much in our schools and communities.

It is those who would punish, loose tempers, abuse and/or forget it is a child with troubles or problems.

I watched one day in school a teacher loose control over a disruptive child, grab him by the shirt, slamming him up against the wall, screeming how fed up he was with him.  I seen teachers grab kids by the hair, arm with great force pulling them to the hallway ETC

Parents need held more responsible for what behavior their children have in any environment, then we get more attention to many things like bullies, gangs and teachers who do not belong in that field?

 

I would never give a teacher or anyone permission to 'do anything' to my child.  Do not forget we have had a rise in sexual abuse from even teachers or at least more awarness of it going on.  discipline or punishment, redicule or critisizm should never be done in front of the whole class!  That is abuse!

In the 60's or 70's children did not behave in class.  In the 50's most dropped out by 8th grade, many came to school drunk or wore out from late nights.  The old days did not solve any problems, they let them slide in the children thus gave us a generation to follow another of abusers, drug addicts, alcoholics and most problems today with children is in the whole communities, not a teacher who only has your child a few hours a day for that school year yet proclaims they raise our children?

 

Children need empowered to learn, grow and be good citizens.  Our environment of video games, computers and television to raise kids is not going to give that?

 
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December 2, 2008, 10:07 am PST

What were you thinking?

Quote From: carolrhill

What really scares me is the power we have given to the children and that is a fact.

 

When I went to school it seems in the year of the flood the teachers had absolute power there were no if's and's or or's we knew had the law in their hands. Teachers had a paddle on their desks and they would always start out the class that this talks and they would place it where everyone could see. So sat there and behaved the entire class and you actually learned.

The biggest thing we learned for every actions there is a reaction and we didn't want the reaction. When I was in twelve grade someone threw freshly chewed gum in my hair and I was so mad all I saw was red. I took it out my head and started to throw it back. Guess who got in trouble? ME.

She called me up and put on the stage (it was in speech class0 took her paddle out and whipped in front of the entier class. I didn't feel it because I had so many slips on but it taught me a lesson and what do you think it was? Two wrongs never make a right or for action there is a reaction I never forgot that and that is the way I have lived.

Now mind you the teachers had the permission from the parents to do anything they needed to do to their children for them to behave without fear and that is the way it should be today and there won't be so much trouble in schools and that is a fact. There was no such thing as child abuse in schools as there is today.

 

 

 

 

The biggest thing we learned for every actions there is a reaction and we didn't want the reaction. When I was in twelve grade someone threw freshly chewed gum in my hair and I was so mad all I saw was red. I took it out my head and started to throw it back. Guess who got in trouble? ME.

 

She called me up and put on the stage (it was in speech class0 took her paddle out and whipped in front of the entier class. I didn't feel it because I had so many slips on but it taught me a lesson and what do you think it was? Two wrongs never make a right or for action there is a reaction I never forgot that and that is the way I have lived.

 

Okay, you got paddled in your senior year of high school for throwing gum?  Twelfth grade?  LMAO.  Not to criticize you like this, but did it ever occur to you to maybe scan for the perp from your desk, then RAISE YOUR HAND and INFORM THE TEACHER?  Or else wait until the teacher was through lecturing, then go up to her, show her the gum and tell her that somebody threw it at you.  Maybe then, you would’ve been “spared the rod” so to speak.

 

I may not be as old as you, but that’s the approach I would’ve taken if that had happened to me in twelfth grade, but then again, I’ve never had that happen to me, as I remember, and I’ve been bullied in middle school quite a bit.  Maybe “Think before you act” should be on that list of lessons.

 
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December 2, 2008, 10:32 am PST

12/05 School Discipline: Out of Control?

Quote From: carolrhill

What really scares me is the power we have given to the children and that is a fact.

 

When I went to school it seems in the year of the flood the teachers had absolute power there were no if's and's or or's we knew had the law in their hands. Teachers had a paddle on their desks and they would always start out the class that this talks and they would place it where everyone could see. So sat there and behaved the entire class and you actually learned.

The biggest thing we learned for every actions there is a reaction and we didn't want the reaction. When I was in twelve grade someone threw freshly chewed gum in my hair and I was so mad all I saw was red. I took it out my head and started to throw it back. Guess who got in trouble? ME.

She called me up and put on the stage (it was in speech class0 took her paddle out and whipped in front of the entier class. I didn't feel it because I had so many slips on but it taught me a lesson and what do you think it was? Two wrongs never make a right or for action there is a reaction I never forgot that and that is the way I have lived.

Now mind you the teachers had the permission from the parents to do anything they needed to do to their children for them to behave without fear and that is the way it should be today and there won't be so much trouble in schools and that is a fact. There was no such thing as child abuse in schools as there is today.

 

 

 

 

I had a bad teacher in the second grade she loved hitting kids with a paddle on a daily basis whether they did something bad or not. My mom nearly had her prosicuted. I don't feel spanking should be the school's doing it's for parents only. Detention ISS OSS that's one thing but hitting someone's else's  kid should be considered a crime and the offender should be punished.
 
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July 3, 2009, 9:15 pm PDT

With Rights comes responsibility

Quote From: carolrhill

What really scares me is the power we have given to the children and that is a fact.

 

When I went to school it seems in the year of the flood the teachers had absolute power there were no if's and's or or's we knew had the law in their hands. Teachers had a paddle on their desks and they would always start out the class that this talks and they would place it where everyone could see. So sat there and behaved the entire class and you actually learned.

The biggest thing we learned for every actions there is a reaction and we didn't want the reaction. When I was in twelve grade someone threw freshly chewed gum in my hair and I was so mad all I saw was red. I took it out my head and started to throw it back. Guess who got in trouble? ME.

She called me up and put on the stage (it was in speech class0 took her paddle out and whipped in front of the entier class. I didn't feel it because I had so many slips on but it taught me a lesson and what do you think it was? Two wrongs never make a right or for action there is a reaction I never forgot that and that is the way I have lived.

Now mind you the teachers had the permission from the parents to do anything they needed to do to their children for them to behave without fear and that is the way it should be today and there won't be so much trouble in schools and that is a fact. There was no such thing as child abuse in schools as there is today.

 

 

 

 

When many scream for their rights, they do not wish to step up to the plate when it comes to responsbility.

 

Society as a whole has learned to scream about rights but to fully ignore responsibility. Voters blame dishonest politicans but are not willing to blow the whistle on those engaging in dishonesty; judges are bought off and will not stand for justice; corporations pollute and the community who gains from the profits close their eyes and their nostrils. Social workers are not hired in sufficient numbers to actually help families distintegrating from stressors -- they are simply there as the observers and reporters; their suggestions come too little too late.

 

Wall Street opens up a new Ponzi scheme and we all wondr why. A sense of community is gone from many cities and towns -- an attitude of grab all you can 'cause you deserve it prevails.

 

Our children are not naive -- they seen the game playing the rest of society engages in. And they learn early to engage in it too.

 

Are Dr Phil and others ready to face the real big issues? That with rights come responsiblities ..... and respect for one another.

 

I am not advocating giving teachers or parents the right to abuse the child -- I am advocating a return to respect for everyone's rights and responsibilty and accountability for all.

 


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