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December 30, 2008, 3:42 pm PST

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Quote From: barney0968

what is going to happen to this country as the children take it over?  For all those bleeding hearts out there in America please think where this country is going by allowing a child to control his or her parents. That is what is slowly happening.  There is no justice for parents, what a child say goes.

 In this incident there was two seperate situations in this topic -  the  alleged sexual abuse of the daughter and the father;s discipline practice. This country was built on the family and the children listening to the parents. the father in this topic gave his daughter a choice on sitting on the couch or doing what he wanted - it was her choice to stay there and miss supper. but, maybe we should really be looking behind the scene could it be that the daughter is stubborn towards the father in some type of sub-conscience way because of the sexual abuse. Parent are open to neglect and abuse charges at every turn, so much that America gave Child Protective Services the same immunity as the District Attorneys.( they can use innuendos,fragments of statements, and push a child into making a statement that he is afraid or cried

to make a case. This is getting to be big business.  We need to make our child respondible for their actions, .

One sugestion: that there's a Freudian slip in this message: It's the dad who has the "sub-conscience way" involved. Perhaps, or, more likely, on his conscious level, he does not mean to be cruel. But his conscience has failed him.

 

The choices he offered this child offered no choice. She could stay on the couch -- or what? Move out, and live on the streets? At 13? If that's your idea of raising a child, please don't have one. In this day and time, people can have full lives without having children they don't want to nurture.

 

 Yes, children can be and often are, stubborn, irritatng and difficult. But you probably were, too, and I hope your parents did not subject you to such drastic measures. If they did, that may help explain why your vision is what it is. And I beg you to get help to find kinder ways to raise any children who may be in your care. There really are better ways to find reconciliation of differences..

 

 

 

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December 31, 2008, 8:08 am PST

12/30 Extreme Discipline?

Quote From: barney0968

what is going to happen to this country as the children take it over?  For all those bleeding hearts out there in America please think where this country is going by allowing a child to control his or her parents. That is what is slowly happening.  There is no justice for parents, what a child say goes.

 In this incident there was two seperate situations in this topic -  the  alleged sexual abuse of the daughter and the father;s discipline practice. This country was built on the family and the children listening to the parents. the father in this topic gave his daughter a choice on sitting on the couch or doing what he wanted - it was her choice to stay there and miss supper. but, maybe we should really be looking behind the scene could it be that the daughter is stubborn towards the father in some type of sub-conscience way because of the sexual abuse. Parent are open to neglect and abuse charges at every turn, so much that America gave Child Protective Services the same immunity as the District Attorneys.( they can use innuendos,fragments of statements, and push a child into making a statement that he is afraid or cried

to make a case. This is getting to be big business.  We need to make our child respondible for their actions, .

Finally!  Somebody who gets it.  Parents need to have MORE control to do as they see fit.  If THAT many children are treated that way by their parents, maybe it should be the norm.

CPS is not the answer.  CPS causes more abuse.  Children know they have the ability to cry abuse, and parents are told that they shouldn’t spank their children.  I believe that a lot of parents try to live up to those guidelines and in the end, it all builds up and when they finally do punish the child after the child has become spoilt, they go overboard.  Parents should be able to consistently discipline their children without interference from CPS or some well-meaning person who has no children.

The problem is that most of the people who are defining what proper discipline is have never been at home with a child for weeks on end.  Usually the people who are defining what child abuse is, are the same people who think nothing of sticking their child in a daycare fulltime. 

I don’t think a person should be able to accuse a parent of abuse unless that person has had the experience of raising a child without help.

I am afraid because children are not taught that there are consequences to their behavior anymore.  What happens when they grow up and go out into the world?  They will think it is okay to do as they please at the expense of others and when things don’t go their way, they will go get lawyers and sue people for stupid stuff.  Oh never mind, it has already started happening.  Oh well, thanks CPS.  Not!

 

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January 6, 2009, 7:54 pm PST

12/30 Extreme Discipline?

Quote From: barney0968

what is going to happen to this country as the children take it over?  For all those bleeding hearts out there in America please think where this country is going by allowing a child to control his or her parents. That is what is slowly happening.  There is no justice for parents, what a child say goes.

 In this incident there was two seperate situations in this topic -  the  alleged sexual abuse of the daughter and the father;s discipline practice. This country was built on the family and the children listening to the parents. the father in this topic gave his daughter a choice on sitting on the couch or doing what he wanted - it was her choice to stay there and miss supper. but, maybe we should really be looking behind the scene could it be that the daughter is stubborn towards the father in some type of sub-conscience way because of the sexual abuse. Parent are open to neglect and abuse charges at every turn, so much that America gave Child Protective Services the same immunity as the District Attorneys.( they can use innuendos,fragments of statements, and push a child into making a statement that he is afraid or cried

to make a case. This is getting to be big business.  We need to make our child respondible for their actions, .

I agree, the child is down right disrespectful and just her father's daughter, He is adament about his discipline and the rules he has set in the home and she is just as stubborn about breaking them and has the nerve to attempt to call in reinforcements to see it her way...Its a mess. But absolutely not abuse.
 


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