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February 26, 2009, 12:00 am PST

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 Yes she is going to have caregiver role strain. Who wouldnt. There are grown kids who get it from taking care of one parent. And with all the kids she has yes house would be messey. No one can honestly say there house has always been spotless with more than two kids......She is a mom and having kids is not a bad thing it was her choice. She has to raise them, lose sleep, etc. It will not affect any of us in no way. As I say we dont live in the United states home of the free etc., We live in the land of the offended. Do you fuss over what our taxes are paying and have been for HIV AIDS patients in prison???? Leave her alone before she gets pushed over the edge. How are any of u gonna feel if she harms herself??? Look at the family that commited sucide a few weeks ago due to job loss, bankrupt, etc. Where is a show on them?? She is living and trying. And for taking them a way that is so freaking wrong. If the state there does they should be sued. Make rounds in other homes in that area then tell me hers is worse.Way back when they had that many kids all the time....Thats why that family commited sucide, instead of us listening , lending a helping hand , our time, our exper. we sit in our comfortable homes, and try to fix others lives.
I totally agree with everything you said, i wrote what i thought as well under Nadya & kids. I also commented on all the stupid things taxes are used to pay like for rebuilding other countries after we go to war with them, who does that?? Good o' USA. So yea lets focus on supporting her. I truly did not even think about this sending her over the edge, God forbid because that would be horrible and so devastating to her children, smarten up all you ppl this is so true!!!
 
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February 26, 2009, 5:47 pm PST

Suicide or keeping the kids? Instability all around.

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 Yes she is going to have caregiver role strain. Who wouldnt. There are grown kids who get it from taking care of one parent. And with all the kids she has yes house would be messey. No one can honestly say there house has always been spotless with more than two kids......She is a mom and having kids is not a bad thing it was her choice. She has to raise them, lose sleep, etc. It will not affect any of us in no way. As I say we dont live in the United states home of the free etc., We live in the land of the offended. Do you fuss over what our taxes are paying and have been for HIV AIDS patients in prison???? Leave her alone before she gets pushed over the edge. How are any of u gonna feel if she harms herself??? Look at the family that commited sucide a few weeks ago due to job loss, bankrupt, etc. Where is a show on them?? She is living and trying. And for taking them a way that is so freaking wrong. If the state there does they should be sued. Make rounds in other homes in that area then tell me hers is worse.Way back when they had that many kids all the time....Thats why that family commited sucide, instead of us listening , lending a helping hand , our time, our exper. we sit in our comfortable homes, and try to fix others lives.
If I understand your post, you are saying she might kill herself if her kids are put into a situation where they can receive more nurturing, and you are arguing that is why her kids should not be removed.  I find that an even more compelling reason.  We know this woman is unstable and cant clearly reason.  Doesnt that argue that she should not be permitted to have the ultimate say over the lives of 14 other helpless children?
 
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February 26, 2009, 8:43 pm PST

When people had large families back in the day

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 Yes she is going to have caregiver role strain. Who wouldnt. There are grown kids who get it from taking care of one parent. And with all the kids she has yes house would be messey. No one can honestly say there house has always been spotless with more than two kids......She is a mom and having kids is not a bad thing it was her choice. She has to raise them, lose sleep, etc. It will not affect any of us in no way. As I say we dont live in the United states home of the free etc., We live in the land of the offended. Do you fuss over what our taxes are paying and have been for HIV AIDS patients in prison???? Leave her alone before she gets pushed over the edge. How are any of u gonna feel if she harms herself??? Look at the family that commited sucide a few weeks ago due to job loss, bankrupt, etc. Where is a show on them?? She is living and trying. And for taking them a way that is so freaking wrong. If the state there does they should be sued. Make rounds in other homes in that area then tell me hers is worse.Way back when they had that many kids all the time....Thats why that family commited sucide, instead of us listening , lending a helping hand , our time, our exper. we sit in our comfortable homes, and try to fix others lives.
They NEVER had so many at one time because there was no IVF.  Instead all of those kids were born over a number of years. What happens (as in the Dugger clan) is that the older ones ended up helping out with the others so it was doable.  This is not doable. The oldest is 7, the youngest is 2..It will be years before they can help mommy and if her elderly parents give out, she will be relying on strangers--but that is not the real issue.

Nadya cares only about herself and only about her children in as much as they provide her solace or pleasure. This does not assure that their needs will be met or that she would sacrifice anything for them. In fact, her past behavior indicates she will expect them and everyone else to sacrifice for her instead. This is a harsh burden to place on kids, just so an obviously unfit mother can keep all of her children. 

OPEN adoption for them all, perhaps--where Nadya can visit, but primary care. support and nurturing is not conditional on how she feels, who is watching and if she can find time in between interviews or getting her masters--not to mention the adopting parents should be able to financially provide for the children and not ask for handouts.
 
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February 28, 2009, 2:48 am PST

02/26 Octuplets' Mom Talks to Dr. Phil, Part 2

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 Yes she is going to have caregiver role strain. Who wouldnt. There are grown kids who get it from taking care of one parent. And with all the kids she has yes house would be messey. No one can honestly say there house has always been spotless with more than two kids......She is a mom and having kids is not a bad thing it was her choice. She has to raise them, lose sleep, etc. It will not affect any of us in no way. As I say we dont live in the United states home of the free etc., We live in the land of the offended. Do you fuss over what our taxes are paying and have been for HIV AIDS patients in prison???? Leave her alone before she gets pushed over the edge. How are any of u gonna feel if she harms herself??? Look at the family that commited sucide a few weeks ago due to job loss, bankrupt, etc. Where is a show on them?? She is living and trying. And for taking them a way that is so freaking wrong. If the state there does they should be sued. Make rounds in other homes in that area then tell me hers is worse.Way back when they had that many kids all the time....Thats why that family commited sucide, instead of us listening , lending a helping hand , our time, our exper. we sit in our comfortable homes, and try to fix others lives.

After seeing his interview with her, I believe that she acknowledges that implanting the last 6 embryos was a bad decision but I honestly think, not only with her but with anybody, that if you are not able to financially or physically able to provide for your kids, then put them up for adoption.  What I mean is, she already had 6 kids that she couldn't provide for then she wanted to just have 1, maybe 2 more?  Come on now!  She had to move in with momma and daddy, let grandma take care of the 6 she already has, pay no rent, pay nothing to help out with food or utilities, then gets a settlement check and doesn't at least offer to give her parents some of it to help out with their burden of having to take care of 7 more people.  She sneaks out and has the last 6 implanted.  Even if this pregnancy resulted in a single birth, that is STILL more than she can handle at this point.  Now she is wanting everybody to feel sorry for her and give her donations.  The only thing is if you give to help the babies, you are only enabling her as well.  I really think that the state needs to take the little ones away from her.  The state of California is already under enough stress with the economy and having to lay off government workers and now she is putting an even bigger burden on the taxpayers of California by getting food stamps and Lord knows what else.  I also think that momma and daddy need to practice a little tough love and kick her butt out and stop taking care of the 6 she already had.  There are women out there who go out day after day and bust their butt working sometimes more than 1 job just to make things work and she needs to do the same!!!  Give those babies to families that can offer them a better life, one that can give their WHOLE attention and devotion to that one child.  There is absolutely no way that at least 1 or more children is going to feel left out or ignored because of her choice to have a "big family."  To me she comes across as a woman who wants it all but doesn't want to have to pay for any of it. She wants the "big" family but wants everybody else to help her out with it.  She wants the taxpayers to pay her and the babies hospital bill, she doesn't want to work and at least try to help financially, she wants to "go to school"  She should have done all that before she had all these kids or after they had grown up a bit.  She wants to live with momma and daddy, let them and the state of California support her and her now 14 kids and wants to just sit at home, reap the benefits and not do a thing.  She wants volunteers, she wants donations, she wanted 1.5M to go on Oprah.  If she truly doesn't like all this attention then why on earth did she say she would go on Oprah for 1.5M??  Answer me that!!  As for the person who said, "she has to raise them, lose sleep, etc."  Uhhhh no.  She isn't going to be the one losing sleep, It is going to be the volunteers who will be losing sleep because I bet you, she will be curled up in bed saying she has a headache or something.  She wants the "big family" but doesn't want anything to do with helping to raise or support them!!

 


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