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November 7, 2005, 12:01 pm PST

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I haven't seen today's show yet but your post REALLY caught my attention.  My family, I guess, is pretty old fashioned because everyone seems to be happily married or at least they were before their spouse died.  Not that there's not a few who have married twice for lack of getting it right the first time, but still happiness seems to prevail. 

 

I'm not feeling so hopeful for myself, however.  I've been with my boyfriend (the father of my 17 month old son) for over 5 years & just the THOUGHT of marriage is enough to rumble my stomach.  His side of the family has seen worse times than mine so I honestly don't know if the man even knows LOVE.  He comes from a much different world than I do so it's hard for us to find a happy medium.  He bottles up his feelings, I pour mine out like a book.  He sort of looks at marriage as a "loss of freedom".  I look at it as...  ???  I guess it can be perfect if you make it so or it can be a rough ride for some. 

 

Anyway, my family believes we should be married.  They have accepted the fact that our son was conceived out of wedlock but they firmly express that we should not even THINK about extending our little family before we take the vows.  As part of the younger generation I believe in my own way that God had this in the cards for us or we'd not be where we're standing today.  I don't believe he insists on a ring & a piece of paper to prove our worthiness of love although I know it is still a very sacred milestone in life.  Part of me wants the fairy tale wedding but then part of me believes it's just not as big of a deal these days. 

 

I want to know what the rest of the world thinks.  Should my boyfriend & I get married for the sake of the family or is it okay to live as though we are married without taking the vows at the altar??? 

Maybe it's not about what God wants as much as it's about what kids need to feel secure.   It's not about a fairy tale wedding, it's about providing a firm foundation into which your child can plant some roots.   The schools and family service agencies today are overrun with kids who have emotional problems as a result of their parent's failure to realize how important stability is to kids.    

  

I've got several 20-somethings I mentor who have had children out of wedlock, but they are sure where they stand with each other and their kids are just fine.  It's true that children being born out of wedlock no longer carries the social stigma it once did, but it's also true that children benefit from having a stable family life instead of living a "mom and dad are kind of together and kind of not, and they can't decide how committed they are to each other but I'm supposed to believe that that they both committed to me - at least when they're not fighting".    

  

Kids are pretty adaptable, but if you can't decide where your relationship with the father is going, how do you expect your child to know how to define his family?   Did you not consider in the 3 years before you had your son what effect it might have on him to have a father who might not even know how to love, and who might not be comitted for the long haul? 

 
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November 7, 2005, 12:24 pm PST

11/07 Dr. Phil's Road Show: Newlywed Challenge

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I haven't seen today's show yet but your post REALLY caught my attention.  My family, I guess, is pretty old fashioned because everyone seems to be happily married or at least they were before their spouse died.  Not that there's not a few who have married twice for lack of getting it right the first time, but still happiness seems to prevail. 

 

I'm not feeling so hopeful for myself, however.  I've been with my boyfriend (the father of my 17 month old son) for over 5 years & just the THOUGHT of marriage is enough to rumble my stomach.  His side of the family has seen worse times than mine so I honestly don't know if the man even knows LOVE.  He comes from a much different world than I do so it's hard for us to find a happy medium.  He bottles up his feelings, I pour mine out like a book.  He sort of looks at marriage as a "loss of freedom".  I look at it as...  ???  I guess it can be perfect if you make it so or it can be a rough ride for some. 

 

Anyway, my family believes we should be married.  They have accepted the fact that our son was conceived out of wedlock but they firmly express that we should not even THINK about extending our little family before we take the vows.  As part of the younger generation I believe in my own way that God had this in the cards for us or we'd not be where we're standing today.  I don't believe he insists on a ring & a piece of paper to prove our worthiness of love although I know it is still a very sacred milestone in life.  Part of me wants the fairy tale wedding but then part of me believes it's just not as big of a deal these days. 

 

I want to know what the rest of the world thinks.  Should my boyfriend & I get married for the sake of the family or is it okay to live as though we are married without taking the vows at the altar??? 

"I want to know what the rest of the world thinks.  Should my boyfriend & I get married for the sake of the family or is it okay to live as though we are married without taking the vows at the altar??? " 

  

And the difference would be . . . ? 

  

I, personally, am not in favor of having kids/more kids outside of marriage, but my life is not yours and I know you don't want somebody preaching to you.  Moral and religious arguments aside, be practical.  If the relationship needs help, it will need help whether or not it is recognized by law and/or your church (really, I guess the big issue here for me would be, why would you have more kids before you two have the relationship stabilized?).  From what you said, I wouldn't be inclined to get married at this point, but can you get him to talk to someone--counselor, clergy--to find out what it is that bothers him so much? 

  

If all else fails you at least need to make sure that you and your child have some rights to support if you and your boyfriend don't last.  Find out what your state laws are about common-law marriages.  I hope you DO last, if that's what you want, but please take care of yourself and your baby. 

  

  

 


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