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December 5, 2005, 7:38 am PST

Invalidation of marriage

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In my view if you set out to get a marriage annulled then unless you make it very clear, perhaps with some sort of legal document, you are setting out to change the status of children born within that marriage.  Effectively those 3 girls have been told by their church hierarchy that they are lesser daughters to their father than they were before he obtained the annullment.  Mouthing a few platitudes about not intending things to be seen that way isn't enough - that father should get off his backside and do something ACTIVE to make it clear he values his daughters.   

  

Quite frankly Dr Phil misses the point when he says hurt people need to step up, put their hurt aside and make an effort to mend fences for the sake of the family and because we might all be dead tomorrow.  There are some people it is impossible to get along with because of the price tag they put on having a continuing relationship with them.  Mynde's father is one of those people - he's officially rewritten 31 years of the family's history and expects everyone to be happy with what he's done.  As for that expert - I take the point I'm not Catholic - annullmentsallowed on the grounds of lack of committment - I don't believe it! 

There is a very big difference between a legal annulment and an invalidation of marriage within the Catholic faith. One has nothing to do with the other and consequently has nothing to do with the children of that marriage.  

  

It is very difficult to obtain an invalidation (several years in most cases) in the Catholic Church. It is not taken lightly and must prove certain points that have only to do with the "intention" of the marriage. It also has to be proven that you have made every effort to make the marriage work and that must be supported by witnesses to the marriage. At no time does it have anything at all to do with the love and devotion a parent feels for their children. Marriage is a sacrament in The Church, but one that can not be fullfilled by only one partner. You have to have the cooperation of two people and that is not always possible. Adult children who love their parents would want them to be able to receive the sacraments and continue practicing their faith. These "children" seem to be centered on themselves more than the love of God and family. 

 

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December 5, 2005, 3:51 pm PST

"Love Child" & other thoughts

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In my view if you set out to get a marriage annulled then unless you make it very clear, perhaps with some sort of legal document, you are setting out to change the status of children born within that marriage.  Effectively those 3 girls have been told by their church hierarchy that they are lesser daughters to their father than they were before he obtained the annullment.  Mouthing a few platitudes about not intending things to be seen that way isn't enough - that father should get off his backside and do something ACTIVE to make it clear he values his daughters.   

  

Quite frankly Dr Phil misses the point when he says hurt people need to step up, put their hurt aside and make an effort to mend fences for the sake of the family and because we might all be dead tomorrow.  There are some people it is impossible to get along with because of the price tag they put on having a continuing relationship with them.  Mynde's father is one of those people - he's officially rewritten 31 years of the family's history and expects everyone to be happy with what he's done.  As for that expert - I take the point I'm not Catholic - annullmentsallowed on the grounds of lack of committment - I don't believe it! 

I think it's ridiculous that a religion would consider someone of lesser status because of the behavior of their parents over which they had no control.   

  

Love child, always second best 

Love child, different from the rest 

  

But I think the annulment thing is beside the point.  I think Mynde is primarily upset that dad traded mom in for a younger model.  If dad lives to 80, I wouldn't be surprised if he annuls marriage #2 & trades her in for a still younger model. 

 
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December 5, 2005, 5:25 pm PST

Church is clear: Children are legitimate

Quote From: a_n_other

In my view if you set out to get a marriage annulled then unless you make it very clear, perhaps with some sort of legal document, you are setting out to change the status of children born within that marriage.  Effectively those 3 girls have been told by their church hierarchy that they are lesser daughters to their father than they were before he obtained the annullment.  Mouthing a few platitudes about not intending things to be seen that way isn't enough - that father should get off his backside and do something ACTIVE to make it clear he values his daughters.   

  

Quite frankly Dr Phil misses the point when he says hurt people need to step up, put their hurt aside and make an effort to mend fences for the sake of the family and because we might all be dead tomorrow.  There are some people it is impossible to get along with because of the price tag they put on having a continuing relationship with them.  Mynde's father is one of those people - he's officially rewritten 31 years of the family's history and expects everyone to be happy with what he's done.  As for that expert - I take the point I'm not Catholic - annullmentsallowed on the grounds of lack of committment - I don't believe it! 

  

"unless you make it very clear, perhaps with some sort of legal document" 

  

The church does make it very clear - with legal documentation.   The child is denying and denouncing Catholic law.  She is the one on the show who is not being a good Catholic.  The Church is very clear on this.  The Children are legitimate.  

  

The author on the show was quite clear ... Seems a lot of the listeners are as deaf as Myndie and refusing to hear the truth.  The Catholic church is clear and documents it.  The kids are legitimate.  

  

 


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