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December 6, 2005, 8:32 pm PST

Red flags - Pot calling the kettle black

Quote From: wespauley

I personally don't chase after women half my age because I don't have a need to prove my manliness to myself or others, but there are some very good reasons I would consider a younger woman. For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet). They are still curious enough about sex to be interested. They still know how to have fun,  they whine less, are less judgemental, and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance.

>For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet).  

  

That's red flag #1 - your assumption that older women have developed a very hostile attitude toward men & that women as they age are at risk of such. 

  

>They are still curious enough about sex to be interested.  

  

Red flag #2 - the stereotype that older women are not interested in sex. 

  

>They still know how to have fun,  

  

Red flag #3 - Your assumption that older women don't know how to have fun. 

  

 >they whine less 

  

Red flag #4 - Your assumption that older women whine more.  Incidentally, "whining" is a pejorative assumption made by the listener.  If a guy often makes pejorative assumptions, that's another red flag about him.   

  

,>are less judgemental, 

and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance. 

  

Red flag #5 - More pejorative assumptions about older women.  Older individuals, men & women, are more likely to know what their deal breakers are from experience.  I know a 64 year-old widower who now makes smoking & excessive drinking deal-breakers.  (His wife died due to her bad habits.)  I know an 48 year-old divorced guy who says he now knows chemistry is not enough for a relationship, & now requires good communication for a relationship to proceed.  Both these men are more aware of what they want & their former wives never would have made it to the second date.  I know older women who have learned lessons along those lines, as well.  But you're framing this perjoratively. 

  

I don't know how old you are & exactly what you mean by "older".  I'm in my 40s.  But I would never date a guy who had so many negative assumptions about my demographic.  If you would like women to give you at least half a chance, then I suggest YOU be less judgemental & don't spend as much time looking for the faults of women in a certain demographic. 

  

 
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December 6, 2005, 11:42 pm PST

making assumptions about older women

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I personally don't chase after women half my age because I don't have a need to prove my manliness to myself or others, but there are some very good reasons I would consider a younger woman. For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet). They are still curious enough about sex to be interested. They still know how to have fun,  they whine less, are less judgemental, and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance.

This is my first time responding to a msg board; I couldn't let your comments pass. I know that you don't mean for all your assumptions to apply to older women. Let me take them in order. 

  

(1) --an assumption that older women have spent a lifetime being miserable. I have a circle of older women friends (we are between 50 and 67; I am 58). Not one of us is miserable. Indeed, we have learned a few lessons. Not all women have a hostile attitude toward men. As we have gotten older, we have also gotten much smarter at making the right choices, and just won't stand for someone who isn't as interested in us as we are of them, or hasn't learned from their past relationships, or treats us like we were dog meat. Many of us older women are better at having relationships that are not shallow. 

  

(2) Curious about sex--we just don't jump into bed on a first date, or even the second or third. We prefer the old-fashioned and unencumbered way--get to know a person before making such a huge emotional (and sex is emotional) commitment. Besides, the fastest growing group for AIDS happens to be women over the age of 50 (I read that somewhere), and no one wants to be in that group. 

  

(3) We definitely know how to have fun. We travel, attend college (fun classes in continuing ed), volunteer a lot, try new things, etc. 

  

(4) As for whining--I have found just the opposite in older women. The older my friends and I have gotten, the much more mellowed-out we have become. We have learned what is important in our lives, and that every day is precious and shouldn't be wasted on complaining. In short, don't sweat the small stuff. No one is perfect, and if we were to spend time looking for faults, no one would be dating. But, I DO know what I want and don't want (and look for surprises in between).  For example, I absolutely will not date a smoker--I have asthma. I will not give the time of day to someone who has children and does not pay any attention to them; same goes for the way a man may treat his parents (assuming they are alive--that's usually not a problem in my age group). I will not get involved with a man who has a drinking problem. And, I will not continue to get into a car with someone who just won't drive safely. If that is fault finding, then so be it. My safety is worth a lot more than someone who doesn't care about mine or theirs. 

  

My experience with men who are divorced is that most of them have been very bitter with their ex-wives, and assume all women will "treat you wrong"  because their wives did. Not true. Kind of like eating a bad meal at a restaurant, and swearing off eating out ever again.   

  

In summary, I am not unlike many of my female friends: We are retired, very financially secure (some of us own 2 houses and 2 cars), highly educated--we have graduate degrees, we live in beautiful homes, exercise daily, travel, volunteer with several organizations, have hobbies, participate in sports, and take care of ourselves. We are constantly learning. We are not averse to having a relationship with a nice guy (marriage is not always the goal). We even go to places where you would meet men (just no bars). 

  

I got married late--my career was my #1 priority until I did. (Remember that study that said single women who hadn't married by the time they were 40 had a better chance of getting killed by a terrorist?) When my then-husband said--You can't stay married to me because you didn't change your name and that means you don't love me (something we discussed at length before getting married)--well, I thought, perhaps I would have been better off never marrying. I was very happy being single, and I am still happy (divorced). But finding someone after the age of 50 is not easy. Is a man the end-all answer for every woman? No--and that is one difference that we older women have learned that many younger women have not. And, unlike a lot of younger women, we don't fret the week away because we are not dating or involved with some guy. My mother said it all: "I like the fact that I enjoy my own company." You have to be comfortable with yourself first. When you know who you are, you can bring so much more to a relationship.  

  

I would like to see Dr. Phil address issues that older women (from the comments on this board, it seems that group starts at age 40) would be interested in. I don't know a female under the age of 50 who watches him (they are too busy with their jobs and children)--certainly he has to know that a good portion of his viewing audience, from my perspective, is "older."         

 
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December 7, 2005, 4:22 am PST

12/06 Love Smart, Part 1

Quote From: wespauley

I personally don't chase after women half my age because I don't have a need to prove my manliness to myself or others, but there are some very good reasons I would consider a younger woman. For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet). They are still curious enough about sex to be interested. They still know how to have fun,  they whine less, are less judgemental, and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance.

I'm an older woman and I'm the least miserable, hostile person I know!  

  

But I do concede that judgemental, hostile, superficial whiners come in both sexes. Wouldn't you agree?  

  

The key is to look for self-fulfillment outside of what others bring to the table, and enrich our own lives rather than continuing to blame others for past transgressions. The older I get, the happier I am, because I've lived my life the way I wanted and continue to achieve and discover new passions every day. Who says I can't learn snowboarding or get my PhD at this point in life? And, because I'm older, I appreciate the intricate beauty of life (i.e., the simple pleasures) much moreso than when I was 25. 

  

I always say that my greatest charactaristic is that I learn from my mistakes and don't repeat them. Hence, I don't fall into the "miserable and hostile' rut. 

  

BTW...remember that it is a biological fact that women don't reach their sexual peak until their late 30's....so all the "sexual curiosity" in the world is no match for a primed libido, tiger! 

  

  

 
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December 11, 2005, 8:11 am PST

yea, we get it alright

Quote From: wespauley

I personally don't chase after women half my age because I don't have a need to prove my manliness to myself or others, but there are some very good reasons I would consider a younger woman. For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet). They are still curious enough about sex to be interested. They still know how to have fun,  they whine less, are less judgemental, and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance.
I think those rather hostile responses just proved your point, wes.

My contention has always been that so long as we (guys) have to do the asking/paying/etc. then we get to choose who we ask out and pay for.  When women start asking and paying then they get to choose.  It's as simple as that.  In the meantime, women just sorta look silly griping about "no good men".  All it does is point to their misplaced sense of entitlement and their own undesirability.  And it keeps reminding me of the Yogi Berra-ism: "if people aren't coming to the ballpark, how ya gonna stop `em?"

 


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