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amyjayne26

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January 5, 2006, 10:55 pm PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

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Not sure that I understand that (Christian tarot Reader).

As far as the magi and shepherd interpretation I have to say that it is very interesting, and I will study that out, thankyou for that.

There is one issue that I may disagree with. I am all for 'Love thy neighbors.." but, and I may be mis-interpreting, it seems that you are saying pagans are ok, christians are ok, whoever is ok with their beliefs. This is what we call 'Eastern thinking' where no one is wrong and everyone is right. The opposite end of course is what we call "Western thinking' where there is either right or wrong. If there are two different religious beliefs only one can be right. The Bible quotes Jesus as saying "I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the father but by me." To classify this, Jesus obviously believes in Western Thinking.

So there are 2 possibilities:

1) Jesus is right. He is the way and there is no other way (that would make all other religions and spiritual beliefs, including pagans and wiccans, wrong.

2) Jesus is wrong. He is not the way and there is some other way.

You see if you say that everyone is right then that makes Jesus right. If he is right then everyone else is wrong so, inevitably, Eastern Thinking is impossible.

You can think what you want of Jesus and the Bible but there are only three possibilities.

1) Lord: He is God. Obey the Bible

2) Liar: If this is true then he was obviously not God, and not a prophet or a good man and his teachings should be disregarded and not equalled to muhammed or whomever.

3) Lunatic: A crazy man, not a prophet.

Only 3 choices, you pick!

From the original message "and does anyone remember who visited Christ at Bethlehem? My goodness, it was the THREE MAGI (in Greek the word "magi" means SORCERER) - These three Sorcerers (male witches) used astrology and dream interpretation to locate the Christ child. So while the rest of the world just sat there, the Three PAGAN MAGI Sorcerers searched astrology for Christ, found him, and then worshiped him. How is that for an accurate twist on the Biblical story? "

Here is what I have to say about the Magi. They worshipped the Christ child. Doesn't that say anything???? It says a lot to me. It tells me that the Lord can change anyone. :)

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January 6, 2006, 4:51 am PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

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Not sure that I understand that (Christian tarot Reader).

As far as the magi and shepherd interpretation I have to say that it is very interesting, and I will study that out, thankyou for that.

There is one issue that I may disagree with. I am all for 'Love thy neighbors.." but, and I may be mis-interpreting, it seems that you are saying pagans are ok, christians are ok, whoever is ok with their beliefs. This is what we call 'Eastern thinking' where no one is wrong and everyone is right. The opposite end of course is what we call "Western thinking' where there is either right or wrong. If there are two different religious beliefs only one can be right. The Bible quotes Jesus as saying "I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the father but by me." To classify this, Jesus obviously believes in Western Thinking.

So there are 2 possibilities:

1) Jesus is right. He is the way and there is no other way (that would make all other religions and spiritual beliefs, including pagans and wiccans, wrong.

2) Jesus is wrong. He is not the way and there is some other way.

You see if you say that everyone is right then that makes Jesus right. If he is right then everyone else is wrong so, inevitably, Eastern Thinking is impossible.

You can think what you want of Jesus and the Bible but there are only three possibilities.

1) Lord: He is God. Obey the Bible

2) Liar: If this is true then he was obviously not God, and not a prophet or a good man and his teachings should be disregarded and not equalled to muhammed or whomever.

3) Lunatic: A crazy man, not a prophet.

Only 3 choices, you pick!

"Eastern thinking" is impossible? Hmmm....

There will be millions upon millions (upon millions upon millions...) of people who would dissagree with that! For me personally, I find it an incredibly arrogant statement made by you.

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January 6, 2006, 8:11 am PST

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Not sure that I understand that (Christian tarot Reader).

As far as the magi and shepherd interpretation I have to say that it is very interesting, and I will study that out, thankyou for that.

There is one issue that I may disagree with. I am all for 'Love thy neighbors.." but, and I may be mis-interpreting, it seems that you are saying pagans are ok, christians are ok, whoever is ok with their beliefs. This is what we call 'Eastern thinking' where no one is wrong and everyone is right. The opposite end of course is what we call "Western thinking' where there is either right or wrong. If there are two different religious beliefs only one can be right. The Bible quotes Jesus as saying "I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the father but by me." To classify this, Jesus obviously believes in Western Thinking.

So there are 2 possibilities:

1) Jesus is right. He is the way and there is no other way (that would make all other religions and spiritual beliefs, including pagans and wiccans, wrong.

2) Jesus is wrong. He is not the way and there is some other way.

You see if you say that everyone is right then that makes Jesus right. If he is right then everyone else is wrong so, inevitably, Eastern Thinking is impossible.

You can think what you want of Jesus and the Bible but there are only three possibilities.

1) Lord: He is God. Obey the Bible

2) Liar: If this is true then he was obviously not God, and not a prophet or a good man and his teachings should be disregarded and not equalled to muhammed or whomever.

3) Lunatic: A crazy man, not a prophet.

Only 3 choices, you pick!

I have read some of your other posts and you have said that you have taken courses in Theology. So my question for is how can you dismiss so many religions? Obviously you are bias and think Jesus is the way to go which is perfectly okay with me, I do not jugde. What ever suits you I say go for it. But it is wrong to say that Pagans and Wiccans and Buhddist are wrong. These religions have been around before Christianity! There are not only three choices or three paths in life to take. There are many. I for one am Pagan and am not ashamed of it or think that my way of living is wrong. See, that's the thing with most Pagans, we do not judge, we have relationships with our God and Goddess and we see no harm in it. As our saying goes, "An' it harm none, do what ye will." To bad other people can't seem to think the same thing.

P.S. Did you take your classes at a church? I'm just wondering.

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January 6, 2006, 8:46 am PST

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Quote From: nbrooks

Not sure that I understand that (Christian tarot Reader).

As far as the magi and shepherd interpretation I have to say that it is very interesting, and I will study that out, thankyou for that.

There is one issue that I may disagree with. I am all for 'Love thy neighbors.." but, and I may be mis-interpreting, it seems that you are saying pagans are ok, christians are ok, whoever is ok with their beliefs. This is what we call 'Eastern thinking' where no one is wrong and everyone is right. The opposite end of course is what we call "Western thinking' where there is either right or wrong. If there are two different religious beliefs only one can be right. The Bible quotes Jesus as saying "I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the father but by me." To classify this, Jesus obviously believes in Western Thinking.

So there are 2 possibilities:

1) Jesus is right. He is the way and there is no other way (that would make all other religions and spiritual beliefs, including pagans and wiccans, wrong.

2) Jesus is wrong. He is not the way and there is some other way.

You see if you say that everyone is right then that makes Jesus right. If he is right then everyone else is wrong so, inevitably, Eastern Thinking is impossible.

You can think what you want of Jesus and the Bible but there are only three possibilities.

1) Lord: He is God. Obey the Bible

2) Liar: If this is true then he was obviously not God, and not a prophet or a good man and his teachings should be disregarded and not equalled to muhammed or whomever.

3) Lunatic: A crazy man, not a prophet.

Only 3 choices, you pick!

If I remember corectly the study of Theology is the study of Religion's, that's right, with an 's. I am glad to know that there is some school someware that is teaching one sided Religion out there then sending people out thinking that they are well versed Theologans. If you read Genisis 1:26,27,28 you will see that man was also created before the garden of eden in like image to God. Then the garden of eden was created and Adam and Eve conciquently. Who were those other people? Eden was also planted in the East. Since it all started in the "East" shouldn't you have some "Eastern Thinking"? Why would people want to follow a God who right off the get go broke one of his own 10 Commandments? In Genisis 2:17 God said "You must not eat the fruit to that tree; if you do, you will die the same day". Seems to me that Adam and Eve lived quite a long time after they ate that fruit, Thank your Heaven that your god was merciful or Christianity would have stopped there. As I said before I am well versed in many religions, not just my own. Please don't think I am attacking the Christian faith as I am not. In fact I think that it is a very kind and respecting group most often than not, and if it is the right path for someone Great! Just please don't take it so far as to alienate other culture's with "fundlamentalist" thinking. We all need each other to survive on this plannet, so let your beliefs be enough and other's beliefs be enough for them.

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January 7, 2006, 9:24 am PST

P.S. nbrooks

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Not sure that I understand that (Christian tarot Reader).

As far as the magi and shepherd interpretation I have to say that it is very interesting, and I will study that out, thankyou for that.

There is one issue that I may disagree with. I am all for 'Love thy neighbors.." but, and I may be mis-interpreting, it seems that you are saying pagans are ok, christians are ok, whoever is ok with their beliefs. This is what we call 'Eastern thinking' where no one is wrong and everyone is right. The opposite end of course is what we call "Western thinking' where there is either right or wrong. If there are two different religious beliefs only one can be right. The Bible quotes Jesus as saying "I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the father but by me." To classify this, Jesus obviously believes in Western Thinking.

So there are 2 possibilities:

1) Jesus is right. He is the way and there is no other way (that would make all other religions and spiritual beliefs, including pagans and wiccans, wrong.

2) Jesus is wrong. He is not the way and there is some other way.

You see if you say that everyone is right then that makes Jesus right. If he is right then everyone else is wrong so, inevitably, Eastern Thinking is impossible.

You can think what you want of Jesus and the Bible but there are only three possibilities.

1) Lord: He is God. Obey the Bible

2) Liar: If this is true then he was obviously not God, and not a prophet or a good man and his teachings should be disregarded and not equalled to muhammed or whomever.

3) Lunatic: A crazy man, not a prophet.

Only 3 choices, you pick!

I understand that you are very much in your own way of thinking and that I cannot "open" the mind of a "closed" minded person. So, with that said, I see no point sitting here and debating on this subject anymore. You are clearly not open to other aspects of life and think that YOUR way is the right and only way which is NOT true. There were OTHER religions BEFORE yours and you should know that since you take Theology, the term that describes MANY beliefs and the definition has been CHANGED throughout history so that now it is referred to Christianity and of God, when really the Greeks used the term to define their Gods (plural). So anyway, you are obviously put in your own ways and that is good for you. Just do not disregaurd other beliefs as which your way IS NOT the only way. Thank you.

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Excuse me?

Wow

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