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January 12, 2006, 8:48 am PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 
No, it doesn't make you a bad person, people are entitled to their own opinions.  But I think what you have to realize is that your daughter is in a relationship with a black guy and you can either deal with it or put her out of your life forever.  I for one, would not care who my daughter dated as long as she was treated with respect and loved.  You said she spent time with his family for Christmas?  I wonder why.  You told her that he was not allowed in your house.  So of course she will go to his because there will not be any tension there.  What you really need to ask yourself is," Is this worth losing my daughter?"  All of those years you raised her and you want to drop her just because she is dating a black man?  Sounds very selfish.  If she is happy then let her be happy.  And what if her daughter calls that man her father?  I'm sure there are worse things that could happen.  And about the kids at school, they only learn what they see, so by you acting like that isn't going to help and isn't going to make your granddaughter feel like she is a good person and if you keep acting like this she may never want to be with you or have you as her grandmother.  No child wants to feel unloved by their own family.  So I suggest you suck it up because it is not worth losing your family.  Try spending some time with all of them.  Maybe you will understand why your daughter is with this man.
 

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January 12, 2006, 9:59 am PST

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Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 

It's interesting to me that you mention the cruelty of children.  Really, is this what you are worried about?  It doesn't sound to me like other children will be the cruelest or most judging people in this child's life.   

How could you raise and love your daughter, only to abondon her over a decision you do not agree with?  What does this teach your grandchild about unconditional love? 

If you think this child wil  be the only one at school with an African-American dad, you are very naive. 

 
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January 12, 2006, 12:48 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 

It seems to me that perhaps you feel guilty for the way you feel because you know it's not healthy.  What is the worst thing that can happen if you were to sit down and have a conversation with this man?  You may find you share the same values, goals in life, fears, concerns and love for your daughter and granddaughter but they are just wrapped in different packages, one being white and one black. 

  

I once read of an experiment a woman did with her daughter....she cracked open a white egg and spilled it into a cup, then a brown egg and spilled it into another cup.  She asked her daughter if there was any difference between the two, to which she replied "no".  It's the same with people of different races....we may look different on the outside, but inside we are all the same, our lives began from cell to fetus exactly the same way. 

  

Our differences in colour and culture should make us more interesting to each other, not make us shy away in fear or disgust.   

  

I truly hope you can take a small step simply to have a conversation with your daughter's partner, find out who he is and what he's all about.  Even if you still don't agree with the colour issue, at least you'll know what type of man she is involved with and exposing your granddaughter to.  After all, shouldn't that be the most important concern? 

  

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January 12, 2006, 4:57 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 
It does not necessarily mean you are a bad person. It means that you do not have agape (unconditional) love for your daughter. God forbid she does have a bi-racial child because you would turn your back on her and her baby that would also have your blood running through him/her. That is very upsetting to me. This is one of the things that is wrong with society. So many people turn their backs on their kids because they did a lousy job of raising them. I am not saying that you did but if the show fits...Have you ever looked at yourself and the way you raised your daughter? Have you taught her to make good decisions in he life and how the consequences of her decisions such as having unprotected sex will affect her life? Or did you just leave her to figure it out for herself and when she does something you don't approve of then turn your back on her? Just one more question...Would you have preferred your daughter become pregnant by a no-good white man out of wedlock or be with a decent black man that is responsible and a good provider? I am not judging you, I just wanted to give you something to think about.
 
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January 13, 2006, 12:51 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 

You say that you don't want your granddaughter being mistreated by other kids.  But how do you think she feels about the way you treat her mother? You are being just as cruel as the rest of the world that you speak of.  Your granddaughter is being victimized by your actions, and she doesn't deserve it.  Don't continue to feel guilty about what's going on.  Do what you can to mend your relationship with your daughter.  Life is short.   

  

The bottom line is that your daughter is going to be with this man with or without your approval.  She's an adult and she doesn't need your permission to date a black man or any man for that matter.  How would you feel if you knew that his family shunned her just because of her skin color?  Would you feel like she deserves it or would you feel like his family is wrong for mistreating her?   

  

If you choose not to accept it, then you're not only hurting her, but you're hurting yourself, your grandchild, and any future grandchildren that may come along.   

  

  

  

  

  

 
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January 16, 2006, 7:47 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 
Let's see...you abandoned your daughter at the time when she needed you most; when she became pregnant, advocated her murdering your own grandchild because you didn't like the color of that grandchild's skin, disowned your daughter because she has a relationship with a "nice guy" who happens to be black...and you say you do not dislike blacks?   I think the correct description for your attitude toward blacks is you HATE blacks.  It doesn't matter to you if the man your daughter is with treats her poorly or well.  All that matters is that he isn't black.  You more than anyone would know the cruel and racist things children say to other children at school.  These children are taught to say these cruel things by people in their lives who think like you, just as I am sure you were influenced as a child by someone else's hatred.  You are not a bad person, but you are a sick person and in need of a big dose of patience, tolerance, kindness and love.  I will pray for God to touch your mind and bring the healing to your family it so desperately needs. 
 
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January 17, 2006, 1:35 am PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 
 Have you considered WHY you feel guilty?  As people we usually feel guilty when we are doing something that is WRONG.  You really need to HONESTLY examine yourself and figure out WHY you think inter-racial dating/marriage is wrong.  Sometimes in order to get past things we just have to force ourslves to confront our beliefs as possible being faulty.

I mean isn't your daughter's happiness worth more to you than anything?  So what, the guy she loves is black.  Is that so bad compared to what he COULD have been.  I mean your daughter could have gotten involved with someone who is a complete jerk, or worse.  If he is a "nice guy"  you should be HAPPY for her, regardless of his race.  A good man is a good man.
 
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March 3, 2009, 7:43 pm PST

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Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 

My eighteen year old daughter has been living with a black man for three mounths now and my husband her father is totally mortified by this it seems as though it is going to drain the life out of him. i too am against the relationship .  i love my daughter, love my husband and don't know what to do . we have two other children and the day to day stress is very bad and is affecting them also. I was taught that this is a sin to be with a black man. we live in alabama where this is still looked down on and i am afraidmy daughter does not know what she is getting into. I would welcome any advice on how to handle this

 


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