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January 31, 2006, 9:34 am PST

pack his bags and put then on the porch

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I am at the end of my rope.  My son is 35 years old and lives at home.  He helps very little around the house and when he has a job, he does not spendhis money responsibly.  He has a 4 years old child who is he supposed to pay $362 per month child support, but he knows if he doesnt pay it that I will because I dont want to see the child suffer.  99% of the time I pay the child support. He says" dont pay the support" but I know if I dont it wont get paid and the law will be coming to my house.  What makes it worse is that I retired from our local Social Services as the Child Support Supervisor, and have a son who is a dead beat dad.  I cant stand the embarassment of anyone knowing the doesnt pay his support, so I pay it.   My husband died 8 years ago and left me some money and for some reason my son feels he should share in that money.  I furnish him with a place to live, food, clothing and spending money.  I have the responsibility to get him to and from work because he doesnt have a driver's licence.  (Three DWIs)   

 

I have given him money to move out and he spent it on other things.  WHAT AM I TO DO???? 

 

it is clear that you are the one that doesn't expect very much out of your son nor do you think very highly of him since you continue to support him. if my mom thought so little of me that she would continue to support me the way you do your son, that would hurt me more than anything.  

  

you have to let him suffer the consequences or he will never learn to care for himself. that includes having the DA come after him for child support. That does not mean that you cannot work with your granddaughter's mom to help where you can, but don't pay his child support for him.  

  

you'd be amazed what he can do if you stop treating him like he is a baby and expect him to be a man.  

 
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January 31, 2006, 9:46 am PST

Let go!

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I am at the end of my rope.  My son is 35 years old and lives at home.  He helps very little around the house and when he has a job, he does not spendhis money responsibly.  He has a 4 years old child who is he supposed to pay $362 per month child support, but he knows if he doesnt pay it that I will because I dont want to see the child suffer.  99% of the time I pay the child support. He says" dont pay the support" but I know if I dont it wont get paid and the law will be coming to my house.  What makes it worse is that I retired from our local Social Services as the Child Support Supervisor, and have a son who is a dead beat dad.  I cant stand the embarassment of anyone knowing the doesnt pay his support, so I pay it.   My husband died 8 years ago and left me some money and for some reason my son feels he should share in that money.  I furnish him with a place to live, food, clothing and spending money.  I have the responsibility to get him to and from work because he doesnt have a driver's licence.  (Three DWIs)   

 

I have given him money to move out and he spent it on other things.  WHAT AM I TO DO???? 

 

It is called letting go!  I have a responsibility to my children, but I am not responsible for my children.  It is not my responsiblitity to pay their child support - it is theirs, and if they do not, then they have to be responsible for their actions or lack of.   I doubt the child will suffer.  There are laws about non payment of support and I am sure your son knows them better then you!  Why should he pay it as long as he knows you will?  You should not be embarrased for someone else's actions.  Again, it is not your responsibility to get him to and from work.  It is his!  If he doesn't get to work and looses this job and you quit giving him money, I promise you he will get another job and find a way to get to and from work!  Again, as long as you are going to fix everything for him, he doesn't have to do anything!  Let go and let him be responsible for his own actions.  It is called tough love!  I have been there.  I have seen my son in and out of jail more times than I care to remember for DWI and it was not easy to leave him there - but I did.  He also found a way to and from work when he got out because he couldn't drive either.  So they can do you - you just have to let them.  Good luck to you!   ((((((Hugs))))) fdragonfly
 
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January 31, 2006, 10:46 am PST

Your help is no favor

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I am at the end of my rope.  My son is 35 years old and lives at home.  He helps very little around the house and when he has a job, he does not spendhis money responsibly.  He has a 4 years old child who is he supposed to pay $362 per month child support, but he knows if he doesnt pay it that I will because I dont want to see the child suffer.  99% of the time I pay the child support. He says" dont pay the support" but I know if I dont it wont get paid and the law will be coming to my house.  What makes it worse is that I retired from our local Social Services as the Child Support Supervisor, and have a son who is a dead beat dad.  I cant stand the embarassment of anyone knowing the doesnt pay his support, so I pay it.   My husband died 8 years ago and left me some money and for some reason my son feels he should share in that money.  I furnish him with a place to live, food, clothing and spending money.  I have the responsibility to get him to and from work because he doesnt have a driver's licence.  (Three DWIs)   

 

I have given him money to move out and he spent it on other things.  WHAT AM I TO DO???? 

 

You are enabling your son! I would go with him to find an apartment and then you pay the first and last months rent(deposit) let's say for March or April (no longer) and then he has to be out by then and into the aparment. He has a job so I would find something for March. He'll have to live near work or arrange his own transportation. This is the biggest favor you could ever do for him. Just change the locks on your doors on the 1st. You can always give the child's mother some extra cash to help her but the cycle will continue as long as you protect him from the consequences of his actions. He may have to take an extra part-time job but it is his responsibility. If he has an alcohol problem,you can go to Al-Anon for help in letting go of what is his responsibility. He can get a friend to drive him to work. If he gets his wages garnished for support or whatever that is his responsibility. Don't give him money to move out -but pay the first and last months rent on an apartment even if he doesn't go with you, then set the date to be out and stick with it. Change your locks then.
 
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February 1, 2006, 2:06 pm PST

I KNOW WHAT TO DO

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I am at the end of my rope.  My son is 35 years old and lives at home.  He helps very little around the house and when he has a job, he does not spendhis money responsibly.  He has a 4 years old child who is he supposed to pay $362 per month child support, but he knows if he doesnt pay it that I will because I dont want to see the child suffer.  99% of the time I pay the child support. He says" dont pay the support" but I know if I dont it wont get paid and the law will be coming to my house.  What makes it worse is that I retired from our local Social Services as the Child Support Supervisor, and have a son who is a dead beat dad.  I cant stand the embarassment of anyone knowing the doesnt pay his support, so I pay it.   My husband died 8 years ago and left me some money and for some reason my son feels he should share in that money.  I furnish him with a place to live, food, clothing and spending money.  I have the responsibility to get him to and from work because he doesnt have a driver's licence.  (Three DWIs)   

 

I have given him money to move out and he spent it on other things.  WHAT AM I TO DO???? 

 

KICK HIM OUT! No Regrets, don't pity him, don't give in , dont't feel guilty, JUST KICK HIM OUT, Let him swin on his own, it will do him and you good.  He needs to learn someday, why not now? Best wishes  
 

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February 2, 2006, 8:46 pm PST

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I am at the end of my rope.  My son is 35 years old and lives at home.  He helps very little around the house and when he has a job, he does not spendhis money responsibly.  He has a 4 years old child who is he supposed to pay $362 per month child support, but he knows if he doesnt pay it that I will because I dont want to see the child suffer.  99% of the time I pay the child support. He says" dont pay the support" but I know if I dont it wont get paid and the law will be coming to my house.  What makes it worse is that I retired from our local Social Services as the Child Support Supervisor, and have a son who is a dead beat dad.  I cant stand the embarassment of anyone knowing the doesnt pay his support, so I pay it.   My husband died 8 years ago and left me some money and for some reason my son feels he should share in that money.  I furnish him with a place to live, food, clothing and spending money.  I have the responsibility to get him to and from work because he doesnt have a driver's licence.  (Three DWIs)   

 

I have given him money to move out and he spent it on other things.  WHAT AM I TO DO???? 

 

I understand what Dr Phil was saying. I have not one son but two sons that have moved home. One son is 36 and the other is 29. I have tried everyway to help them but seems neither can keep a job very long. We have put down payments down on vehicles and then they lose them, we have paid for them vehicles and they would sell them and we would never see the money, I have no idea how much money has been spent on vehicles and fines, We are at the end of our rope we don't know what to do now, they have both been in drug rehabs at least 4 times each and I know they are still smoking pot and drinking. I know they are going to die young because of their lifestyle, I have a hard time telling them to leave because I know they both have friends that do drugs and I know they will stay with them and have constant access to drugs, but on the other hand my marriage is really strained, my husband is their father but he is ready to tell them both to get out. He told me it was either them or him, he said if they didn't leave he would. I am scared for my youngest son he has a mental problem and we found out it is inherited, he is adopted so we dont know everything about his biological family. I am really scared he can't make it on his own. he is on meds but he won't take them . He has a 4 year old son and he is still legally married but has lived with us for almost 2 years. He stays up late and sleeps late and he goes into mad rages and breaks things, we had our home remodeled last year because he had knocked holes in the doors and walls, we can't keep a telephone because he gets mad and breaks them, he has broken tv's ,curio cabinets and told us he wish we would have an accident and die, he has hit  his dad with toasters, blacked his eye and broke his finger and much more, he pushed me over a chair and hurt my shoulder. he has done so much I couldn't possibly tell all of it. Sometimes we feel like we have to lock our bedroom door to be able to sleep. He hasn't ever tried to hurt his son but that scares me to think when he gets older and says something his dad doesn't like he may without thinking.  I don't know what to do either maybe Dr. Phil can give us answers if he sees this.
 
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June 24, 2006, 8:20 am PDT

YOU'RE THE ENABLER

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I am at the end of my rope.  My son is 35 years old and lives at home.  He helps very little around the house and when he has a job, he does not spendhis money responsibly.  He has a 4 years old child who is he supposed to pay $362 per month child support, but he knows if he doesnt pay it that I will because I dont want to see the child suffer.  99% of the time I pay the child support. He says" dont pay the support" but I know if I dont it wont get paid and the law will be coming to my house.  What makes it worse is that I retired from our local Social Services as the Child Support Supervisor, and have a son who is a dead beat dad.  I cant stand the embarassment of anyone knowing the doesnt pay his support, so I pay it.   My husband died 8 years ago and left me some money and for some reason my son feels he should share in that money.  I furnish him with a place to live, food, clothing and spending money.  I have the responsibility to get him to and from work because he doesnt have a driver's licence.  (Three DWIs)   

 

I have given him money to move out and he spent it on other things.  WHAT AM I TO DO???? 

 

What you are doing TO your child amounts to nothing more than the worst form of emotional incest a parent can inflict upon a child...OF ANY AGE.  The sad thing about your behavior is you think you're being a good parent.  Well, toots, I've got a newsflash for you, just in case you haven't taken a good, hard look at this situation.  YOUR SON IS WAY PAST THE AGE OF PARENTING SO THE NEED IS WITHIN YOU.  You have the need to be "Parent Of The Year,"  you're terrified of what "others" will think, if you don't keep supporting this leech of a son, and most importantly, he gets his weakness from your lack of strength.  Additionally, you are the one who's afraid of being alone.  WHAT ARE YOU TO DO?  Stop paying his child support.  Maybe a few weeks in jail will straighten this loser out, since obviously you've never once allowed him to be accountable for his lack of responsibility.  Just why do you think his ex-wife divorced him?  Or, did you plan it that way, so he'd never leave you.  You've got a whole bunch of lousy motives of your own.  So, honey, pack his bags, confront him and throw him out.  If he won't go...sell your house out from under him and take the money and go and enjoy your life.  In short, MOVE AND DON'T TELL HIM WHERE YOU'RE GOING.  I can't think of a worse heartbreak than a mother who cannot point to her child with pride. 
 
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June 24, 2006, 9:14 am PDT

WAKE UP CALL!

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I am at the end of my rope.  My son is 35 years old and lives at home.  He helps very little around the house and when he has a job, he does not spendhis money responsibly.  He has a 4 years old child who is he supposed to pay $362 per month child support, but he knows if he doesnt pay it that I will because I dont want to see the child suffer.  99% of the time I pay the child support. He says" dont pay the support" but I know if I dont it wont get paid and the law will be coming to my house.  What makes it worse is that I retired from our local Social Services as the Child Support Supervisor, and have a son who is a dead beat dad.  I cant stand the embarassment of anyone knowing the doesnt pay his support, so I pay it.   My husband died 8 years ago and left me some money and for some reason my son feels he should share in that money.  I furnish him with a place to live, food, clothing and spending money.  I have the responsibility to get him to and from work because he doesnt have a driver's licence.  (Three DWIs)   

 

I have given him money to move out and he spent it on other things.  WHAT AM I TO DO???? 

 

At 35 YOU SHOULD PUT HIM OUT! You are not helping him to br responsible for his own life,NO, you are enabling him to stay a "dead beat dad" and "mooching" off you.There are plenty of places he can get help and working for SS you should know of them. Intervene, tell him , he has to get in a program along program. That's what I did with my son. He went into in a program at 25 yrs and came out at 27.5 yrs. It was hard to do BUT what rewards, for him and his self esteem and he's married, has a wonderful family , a beautiful home and he makes  $250,000.00 a year salary..YES! THAT IS A QUARTER OF A MILLION $ A YEAR!....It can be done, YOU should be going every day to Alanon meetings. That's what helped me become stronger to deal with my son and I thank God that I did . Some weeks I went everyday to Alanon meetings because I needed the support.....so YOU just help your self. If you do you will know how to help your son. 

  

I have a life long friend who kept making excuses for her son who didn't want to take responsibility for his life..she paid his rent....gave him money..she made excuses that he played in a band and wasn't making much money. His health started to fail because he put on weight and last year at 44 he died of heart failure. To me that was UNCONSICENCABLE because she is educated, was VP of a company and also, had a degree in Psychology. Now, she tells me that her overweight daughtet had terrible helath problems...so, I asked her...are you going to just sit by and let her die? I wanted to say like you did for your son? 

  

ITs called KILLING YOUR CHILD WITH KINDNESS! Wake up every one here on this formun, get some back bone and help these childern to GROW UP! WE are only "victims" if we "CHOOSE" to be. 

 


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