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February 7, 2006, 1:36 am PST

02/07 The Hunt for Amanda

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Rather than demonize Amanda, shouldn't we be looking at what factors would cause a 16 year old girl to choose to be 'adopted by' another family rather than live with her own? Doesn't anyone think it kind of telling that Amanda's Dad took flight immediately after she went to live with the 'so-slandered' gypsies? What about Dad's lie to Amanda when he said he had taken an active part in the search for her?   A great bit of focus was placed on Amanda's 'attitude'. Can we look at this objectively for a minute? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to suddenly learn that they have been hunted? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to have their freedom stolen from them? Television cameras? Police officers? How incredibly humiliating! What kind of parents would submit their child to that kind of humiliation and torture?   Amanda has made a choice. Whether this choice is right or wrong is not and should not be the issue.   Amanda wants a relationship with her parents. While away, she kept in contact with her mother by phone. Now that she is back, Amanda asks only for a compromise, and asks that she not be treated like a child. Stealing her possessions (cell phone), and invading her privacy (in her room, in the shower) is not the sort of behavior that bespeaks compromise. It shows sheer disrespect.   Amanda is not 'acting out' she is 'reacting out'.
 I agree! Especially where they took the cell phone away from her, what did they expect her to do? It seems like they just went looking for even more trouble on top of what they already had. And when she tried to escape from the situation and calm down, they kept provoking her by entering the room. I'm suprised she only kicked them, they really had trouble handling her.
 
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February 7, 2006, 3:48 am PST

No family is perfect

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Rather than demonize Amanda, shouldn't we be looking at what factors would cause a 16 year old girl to choose to be 'adopted by' another family rather than live with her own? Doesn't anyone think it kind of telling that Amanda's Dad took flight immediately after she went to live with the 'so-slandered' gypsies? What about Dad's lie to Amanda when he said he had taken an active part in the search for her?   A great bit of focus was placed on Amanda's 'attitude'. Can we look at this objectively for a minute? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to suddenly learn that they have been hunted? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to have their freedom stolen from them? Television cameras? Police officers? How incredibly humiliating! What kind of parents would submit their child to that kind of humiliation and torture?   Amanda has made a choice. Whether this choice is right or wrong is not and should not be the issue.   Amanda wants a relationship with her parents. While away, she kept in contact with her mother by phone. Now that she is back, Amanda asks only for a compromise, and asks that she not be treated like a child. Stealing her possessions (cell phone), and invading her privacy (in her room, in the shower) is not the sort of behavior that bespeaks compromise. It shows sheer disrespect.   Amanda is not 'acting out' she is 'reacting out'.

There are problems in every family. Sometimes a child can have the best parents who have raised them the best they know how, and still end up with a run away or a rebellious teen. I don't pity her too much. Her parents didn't beat her, they weren't on drugs nor were they alcoholics. I agree we don't know exactly what went on in the home and the invasion of her privacy may have been a little extreme or may not have been how the situation needed to be handled but this child does need intervention. The parents seem to be at their wits end, they obviously aren't the worst parents, they have one daughter who doesn't want to run away and who is happy at home. I think this kid is blinded by puppy love. At sixteen what kid doesn't think their parents don't understand them? She just wants compromise? Such as? She needs a firmer hand and less compromise.... 

 

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February 7, 2006, 8:07 am PST

Amanda has problems

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Rather than demonize Amanda, shouldn't we be looking at what factors would cause a 16 year old girl to choose to be 'adopted by' another family rather than live with her own? Doesn't anyone think it kind of telling that Amanda's Dad took flight immediately after she went to live with the 'so-slandered' gypsies? What about Dad's lie to Amanda when he said he had taken an active part in the search for her?   A great bit of focus was placed on Amanda's 'attitude'. Can we look at this objectively for a minute? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to suddenly learn that they have been hunted? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to have their freedom stolen from them? Television cameras? Police officers? How incredibly humiliating! What kind of parents would submit their child to that kind of humiliation and torture?   Amanda has made a choice. Whether this choice is right or wrong is not and should not be the issue.   Amanda wants a relationship with her parents. While away, she kept in contact with her mother by phone. Now that she is back, Amanda asks only for a compromise, and asks that she not be treated like a child. Stealing her possessions (cell phone), and invading her privacy (in her room, in the shower) is not the sort of behavior that bespeaks compromise. It shows sheer disrespect.   Amanda is not 'acting out' she is 'reacting out'.

A boyfriends family getting that involved with a minor, someone's child, someones family.  Not good.  It was obvious they were running and knew that they were hiding her.  No one's family is perfect, but it doesn't appear she has one so dysfunctional that it required running.  And if it were, taking her and running was not the responsible thing to do.  Report them then!  The boyfriends family was over involved with a girl that was not their responsibility or place.  Possibly her parents should have put the ax on that immediatly....but hind sight is 20/20.   

  

I have worked in mental health for years...there are BIG problems here!   

 
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February 7, 2006, 10:16 am PST

I disagree.

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Rather than demonize Amanda, shouldn't we be looking at what factors would cause a 16 year old girl to choose to be 'adopted by' another family rather than live with her own? Doesn't anyone think it kind of telling that Amanda's Dad took flight immediately after she went to live with the 'so-slandered' gypsies? What about Dad's lie to Amanda when he said he had taken an active part in the search for her?   A great bit of focus was placed on Amanda's 'attitude'. Can we look at this objectively for a minute? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to suddenly learn that they have been hunted? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to have their freedom stolen from them? Television cameras? Police officers? How incredibly humiliating! What kind of parents would submit their child to that kind of humiliation and torture?   Amanda has made a choice. Whether this choice is right or wrong is not and should not be the issue.   Amanda wants a relationship with her parents. While away, she kept in contact with her mother by phone. Now that she is back, Amanda asks only for a compromise, and asks that she not be treated like a child. Stealing her possessions (cell phone), and invading her privacy (in her room, in the shower) is not the sort of behavior that bespeaks compromise. It shows sheer disrespect.   Amanda is not 'acting out' she is 'reacting out'.

Amanda is a 16 year ld child, her parents are the legal guardians of her until she is 18 years old. Amanda made a choice and it was the wrong one.  Amanda said she only wants a compromise, yet a compromise for her would mean total freedom to do and act as she pleases no matter how harmful regardless of what her parents want I think she made that absolutely clear when she ignored Dr. Phi's question to her about that very subject. Whether she wants to admit it or not, she was participating in a harmful lifestyle that would eventually ruin her future. Intrincically, there is something wrong with people who do not have legal custody of Amanda taking her across state lines, without permission from her parents, it is called kidnapping. Amanda doesn't have any rights here. She has the right to have a roof over her head, 3 square meals a day, and clothes on her back  and a safe place to live. That is it. everything else is a bonus.--Including the cell phone.strealing her possessions--Now that is a crock! Her parents are not being disrespectful--she is with her beligerent attitude and sense of entitlement. 

  

Mom and Dad need to step up to the plate instead of letting their daughter bully them into giving her what she wants. 

 
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February 7, 2006, 11:37 am PST

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Rather than demonize Amanda, shouldn't we be looking at what factors would cause a 16 year old girl to choose to be 'adopted by' another family rather than live with her own? Doesn't anyone think it kind of telling that Amanda's Dad took flight immediately after she went to live with the 'so-slandered' gypsies? What about Dad's lie to Amanda when he said he had taken an active part in the search for her?   A great bit of focus was placed on Amanda's 'attitude'. Can we look at this objectively for a minute? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to suddenly learn that they have been hunted? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to have their freedom stolen from them? Television cameras? Police officers? How incredibly humiliating! What kind of parents would submit their child to that kind of humiliation and torture?   Amanda has made a choice. Whether this choice is right or wrong is not and should not be the issue.   Amanda wants a relationship with her parents. While away, she kept in contact with her mother by phone. Now that she is back, Amanda asks only for a compromise, and asks that she not be treated like a child. Stealing her possessions (cell phone), and invading her privacy (in her room, in the shower) is not the sort of behavior that bespeaks compromise. It shows sheer disrespect.   Amanda is not 'acting out' she is 'reacting out'.
This girl is 16 years old....she ran away because she wanted to be with her boyfriend all the time and sleep over there and not go to school and not have friends and do whatever she wants..  If you have a daughter that age run away would you just say oh she needs her freedom let her go.  Now I know girls that age think they know it all (I know I was that age) but it sounds like she had a good home life.  The parents didnt say she couldnt see George but that they wanted her to be with him at her house when you are a minor there are rules.  She just liked the freedom she had at George's house....unfortunally forcing her not to see George now and taking away the cell phone etc probably wont help matters...she will end up probably running away again..maybe the best option is to go to the couseling center to help her, and her parents.
 
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February 7, 2006, 10:56 pm PST

Oh PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZE

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Rather than demonize Amanda, shouldn't we be looking at what factors would cause a 16 year old girl to choose to be 'adopted by' another family rather than live with her own? Doesn't anyone think it kind of telling that Amanda's Dad took flight immediately after she went to live with the 'so-slandered' gypsies? What about Dad's lie to Amanda when he said he had taken an active part in the search for her?   A great bit of focus was placed on Amanda's 'attitude'. Can we look at this objectively for a minute? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to suddenly learn that they have been hunted? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to have their freedom stolen from them? Television cameras? Police officers? How incredibly humiliating! What kind of parents would submit their child to that kind of humiliation and torture?   Amanda has made a choice. Whether this choice is right or wrong is not and should not be the issue.   Amanda wants a relationship with her parents. While away, she kept in contact with her mother by phone. Now that she is back, Amanda asks only for a compromise, and asks that she not be treated like a child. Stealing her possessions (cell phone), and invading her privacy (in her room, in the shower) is not the sort of behavior that bespeaks compromise. It shows sheer disrespect.   Amanda is not 'acting out' she is 'reacting out'.
What world are you from ?  Intrinsically free?  Let's look up the word intrinsic....mmmmmm...pertaining to the essential nature of a thing...so I guess you prescribe to the Humanistic thinking that we should all just go with our feelings and our basal needs.  You can't even think that allowing a young 16 year old who doesn't even know herself has the means to make a common sense decision?  The problem as I see it, people with your similar opinions feel that children have a "right"  to adult decisions.  They are CHILDREN!  I don't believe that Amanda wants a compromise, only her way.  She is acting like the child she is.  She was hunted because she is a minor.....HELLO....it was against the law.  By the way....humiliation and torture....the behavior of her parents were not humiliation and torture.  Talk to someone who survived Auschwitz  or any of the Nazi prison camps.  That was torture. 
 
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February 8, 2006, 10:11 am PST

02/07 The Hunt for Amanda

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Rather than demonize Amanda, shouldn't we be looking at what factors would cause a 16 year old girl to choose to be 'adopted by' another family rather than live with her own? Doesn't anyone think it kind of telling that Amanda's Dad took flight immediately after she went to live with the 'so-slandered' gypsies? What about Dad's lie to Amanda when he said he had taken an active part in the search for her?   A great bit of focus was placed on Amanda's 'attitude'. Can we look at this objectively for a minute? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to suddenly learn that they have been hunted? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to have their freedom stolen from them? Television cameras? Police officers? How incredibly humiliating! What kind of parents would submit their child to that kind of humiliation and torture?   Amanda has made a choice. Whether this choice is right or wrong is not and should not be the issue.   Amanda wants a relationship with her parents. While away, she kept in contact with her mother by phone. Now that she is back, Amanda asks only for a compromise, and asks that she not be treated like a child. Stealing her possessions (cell phone), and invading her privacy (in her room, in the shower) is not the sort of behavior that bespeaks compromise. It shows sheer disrespect.   Amanda is not 'acting out' she is 'reacting out'.

You're right.  Amanda is perfectly willing to do most anything as long as it involves her side being heard.  I think she would sit tight if they would just get family counseling and her side could be heard and so someone would work on her mother.   Terribly unfair to say she's acting out as if that's an unreasonable reaction to what they've put her through.  The parents need more mental help than the kid does in this situation.  She is cooperative.  She just isn't willing to let them walk all over her and totally control her anymore.  She's brave. 

 

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August 16, 2006, 5:15 pm PDT

Amen!

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Rather than demonize Amanda, shouldn't we be looking at what factors would cause a 16 year old girl to choose to be 'adopted by' another family rather than live with her own? Doesn't anyone think it kind of telling that Amanda's Dad took flight immediately after she went to live with the 'so-slandered' gypsies? What about Dad's lie to Amanda when he said he had taken an active part in the search for her?   A great bit of focus was placed on Amanda's 'attitude'. Can we look at this objectively for a minute? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to suddenly learn that they have been hunted? What intrinsically free human being would not be irate to have their freedom stolen from them? Television cameras? Police officers? How incredibly humiliating! What kind of parents would submit their child to that kind of humiliation and torture?   Amanda has made a choice. Whether this choice is right or wrong is not and should not be the issue.   Amanda wants a relationship with her parents. While away, she kept in contact with her mother by phone. Now that she is back, Amanda asks only for a compromise, and asks that she not be treated like a child. Stealing her possessions (cell phone), and invading her privacy (in her room, in the shower) is not the sort of behavior that bespeaks compromise. It shows sheer disrespect.   Amanda is not 'acting out' she is 'reacting out'.
And what about the mother invovling a mere child in the interactions of adults?  Telling a child her father did not even help in finding her?  The mom played emotional warfare with the father and involved a child?
 


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