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March 7, 2006, 10:22 am PST

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Sorry, but I think at this point you should be ashamed of yourself.  Don't get me wrong: this is a result of a lack of education, but you should be ashamed nonetheless.  You don't tell someone in a wheelchair that they can stand up and walk if they wanted to badly enough!  Therefore, you don't tell someone with bipolar disorder that they can control their ups and downs if they wanted to badly enough! 

  

Many people don't look at mental disorders in the same way as, say, a physical disorder.  Mental disorders aren't as transparent.  If someone's missing a leg, you can see that, and if you're good at seeing things from perspective, you can empathize with the person (you may not be able to do so to the point of emulating the exact experience that person had, but...) 

  

Don't get me wrong.  Some people do hyper-exaggerate their limits, making it easy to use their disorders as an excuse for their actions.  Their actions are not any more right because they have a disorder, BUT...if they were able to exercise full control of their actions, it wouldn't be a disorder, wouldn't it? 

I don't get it. .  She  has been denied Social Security disability 2 times.  The denial letter states that there are jobs out there that she could do.  So  I guess they think she can control the outbursts. 

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March 9, 2006, 8:18 pm PST

not acceptance

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Sorry, but I think at this point you should be ashamed of yourself.  Don't get me wrong: this is a result of a lack of education, but you should be ashamed nonetheless.  You don't tell someone in a wheelchair that they can stand up and walk if they wanted to badly enough!  Therefore, you don't tell someone with bipolar disorder that they can control their ups and downs if they wanted to badly enough! 

  

Many people don't look at mental disorders in the same way as, say, a physical disorder.  Mental disorders aren't as transparent.  If someone's missing a leg, you can see that, and if you're good at seeing things from perspective, you can empathize with the person (you may not be able to do so to the point of emulating the exact experience that person had, but...) 

  

Don't get me wrong.  Some people do hyper-exaggerate their limits, making it easy to use their disorders as an excuse for their actions.  Their actions are not any more right because they have a disorder, BUT...if they were able to exercise full control of their actions, it wouldn't be a disorder, wouldn't it? 

The mother who wrote the original post does not have to accept her daughter's behavior merely because her daughter is sick.   She, hopefully, can understand the illness but she certainly does not have to accept her daughters actions..   The daughter is abusive, period.  If she can't get out of bed she needs to speak to her dr about other meds.  Mental illness is never an excuse for crappy behavior unless you accept it.   It sounds like her daughter is enjoying her own misery.  Mom is taking care of everything so the daughter has to do nothing for herself.   The daughter can most certainly learn different coping mechanisms.   Pills don't work by themselves.  They work along with therapy and support.   Many bipolars do not abuse those around them.   I have empathy for the undiagnosed and those that don't understand.  But if you truly, honestly want to be a better person, there is always hope.
 
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July 14, 2008, 10:16 am PDT

been there

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Sorry, but I think at this point you should be ashamed of yourself.  Don't get me wrong: this is a result of a lack of education, but you should be ashamed nonetheless.  You don't tell someone in a wheelchair that they can stand up and walk if they wanted to badly enough!  Therefore, you don't tell someone with bipolar disorder that they can control their ups and downs if they wanted to badly enough! 

  

Many people don't look at mental disorders in the same way as, say, a physical disorder.  Mental disorders aren't as transparent.  If someone's missing a leg, you can see that, and if you're good at seeing things from perspective, you can empathize with the person (you may not be able to do so to the point of emulating the exact experience that person had, but...) 

  

Don't get me wrong.  Some people do hyper-exaggerate their limits, making it easy to use their disorders as an excuse for their actions.  Their actions are not any more right because they have a disorder, BUT...if they were able to exercise full control of their actions, it wouldn't be a disorder, wouldn't it? 

Just a different point of view from someone who has been there.  I do see your point that of course you should not pick on someone in a wheelchair.  But, let's say I have a diabetic friend that stuffs his face full of donuts and then just doesn't take his insulin for three days?  Where's that land him?  Yep....in a diabetic coma.  Is that his fault?  You bet!  Can I hold him responsible?  Darn right, I can!  These bipolar patients can be down right manipulative.......I know.........I've been married to one for 20 years!  They cycle on and off their meds and can and SHOULD be held accountable for their behavior.  The bottom line is they CAN help it at times because they CHOOSE to be off their meds.  Now, before I get a bunch of nasty hate mail.........I know it's not a catch all.  It's not all bipolar patients that do this, thank goodness.  Some are completely compliant and do have difficulties with cycling even on the medicines.  The difference with these folks is that they are in tune with their bodies and are usually working closely with their health care providers to avoid these episodes and manage the hurt that they would and do cause others.  Being realistic....no one in their right mind wants to cause another person pain.  The fact is, a noncompliant patient is ON their medicine when they choose to go off them.  Get my drift?  It's part of the "illness", I know, but it's a choice we have with any illness.........to choose wellness and the treatment or to chuck it all and hurt the people we love.  Can you tell I'm sick of living with it or what?  hee hee!
 


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