Quote From: suemanley1Yerba,
Your councilor/ therapist is right. So long as your brother wants to be sarcastic to you and you cant have a real conversation you cant have a relationship as equals. To be frank, based on your fathers denial of the behavoir and his molestation I am suprised you can talk to him either.
From my point of view... and I am not an expert What you have here is a self esteem issue.
Its difficult to face when your family isnt supportive and cant ever be.
I read somewhere that many families are made up of people who are not blood relatives. Some rifts are to big to mend. BTW if your brother really wanted to mend that rift, he would change his methods or ask you why you didnt speak. His messages through your father are to taunt you more. You need to tell your father directly you dont want to hear anything your brother says about you good or bad from him. If your father dosent listen, end the conversation, leave the room, or completely vacate the meeting.
People dont take you seriously until you make them take you seriously.
As for your brother. He continues to taunt because you continue to react. When you no longer react, its no fun. Not being present is one way to deny him. Better yet, only allowing him to react with you in front of other people who are not family will moderate his behavoir. Invite him to dinner with your friends on your turf and you will have him at the disadvantage. Prep your close friends first to be friendly but direct in giving your brother a taste of his own medicine ( or invite him on the DR Phil show... I am sure Phil will know exactly how to "give it to him".
I have to run for lunch.
- Susan
Susan,
I have already told my father in no uncertain terms I don't want to get any more messages about my brother, or receive anything from him. My father generally respects that, but once in a blue moon, he brings this up. He doesn't belabor it, because I cut it off quickly. I cannot prevent what comes out of my father's mouth once every few years.
My father's perspective is that everyone should get along and not have rifts, and of course, that is nonsense without people being willing to deal with the issues involved.
I thought your comments were very judgmental--and without foundation. I didn't appreciate your telling me you think I have a self-esteem problem. I don't think you have any basis for making that judgment. I have cut my brother off for 22 years. That's self-esteem. And I have told my father, plenty, I don't want to hear messages from my brother. That's self-esteem. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize my brother is continuing to try to use my father to get at me. Again, I cannot prevent my father from ever saying anything to me again about it. He wants to see everyone get along and be together again, but he is overly simplistic and in denial about the way my brother treats me.
I have cut my father out of my life for many years at a time. I have stood up to him plenty. I continue to. You have no idea.
I heard my counselor's advice. However, I do think it's simplistic, as well. People are not robots. I continue to have feelings, and I think if there are ways to deal with people that can resolve a problem, that is the most mature thing to do.
That's what I was looking for when I wrote to the board: to see if anyone had any other ideas about how to deal with it, as well as, I realize now, to perhaps just receive some understanding for what I experienced growing up, and the emotional tug of war of both not wanting the rift to be permanent, if that's at all possible, and protecting myself emotionally by avoiding him the rest of my life if that's what I need to do.
Obviously, my brother has not had the maturity or sincerity to ask why I have cut him off. I get that. There is a part of me that still wonders if there is a better way to handle things. I think your suggestion to invite my brother to my turf, with my acquaintances might be a good strategy. I thank you for that.
Is it painful that my father refuses to acknowledge what he did to me? You bet. But it is up to me to decide what is worthwhile for me. And for me, at this point, having limited contact with my father feels best. Not pain free, but better than not having contact with him.
I felt attacked by that comment about self-esteem.
Overall, did your comments help?
No, because that comment/insult about self-esteem hurt. Not validating or supportive.
See how I can stand up for myself? That's self-esteem.
yerba