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April 30, 2006, 7:18 am PDT

Amen! Thanks

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This show has not aired yet, so I'm not sure which religious group they belong to but Id hazard a guess that they are Amish from the pictures. It doesn't matter too much which group, Amish, Mennonite, Hutterite etc. The thing is that these groups live very well organized communal lives. Their religion is the corner stone of each group and the rules and laws of these groups differ from the mainstream of American life. 

I dint know yet if this couple married  in the secular world, but if they DIDN'T, if they married under the laws and rules of the community where the Father now lives, then the Mother KNEW that according to those rules..the children belong to the community !! NOT the parents alone..but the whole community. 

Its not the way of those of us who do not live in one  of these long established religious communities, but its their way and always has been. These are not "crackpot" people, they are very good citizens all around...they are just different. 

  

Dint be too quick to Judge ! 

  

BJ 

I could not have said it better myself.  It is best to keep an open mind.  Things are not as cut and dry as they apprear in 30 second to 1 minute snippets. 
 
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May 1, 2006, 12:02 am PDT

Religion should not separate families

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This show has not aired yet, so I'm not sure which religious group they belong to but Id hazard a guess that they are Amish from the pictures. It doesn't matter too much which group, Amish, Mennonite, Hutterite etc. The thing is that these groups live very well organized communal lives. Their religion is the corner stone of each group and the rules and laws of these groups differ from the mainstream of American life. 

I dint know yet if this couple married  in the secular world, but if they DIDN'T, if they married under the laws and rules of the community where the Father now lives, then the Mother KNEW that according to those rules..the children belong to the community !! NOT the parents alone..but the whole community. 

Its not the way of those of us who do not live in one  of these long established religious communities, but its their way and always has been. These are not "crackpot" people, they are very good citizens all around...they are just different. 

  

Dint be too quick to Judge ! 

  

BJ 

I disagree with your post that if the mother knew the rules of the community, the children belong to the community.  The children belong to the parents, and in the case of divorce, the children should get to be with each parent.  A child doesn NOT belong to a community.   

  

I happen to be from an ultra orthodox community.  Children are not kidnapped there, but if there is a divorce and one parent leaves the community, they go through hell to get visitation.  It happens to be that I left the community together with my husband and son, but I have a friend who is divorced and is having a hard time getting visitation, and those friends that do have joint custody of their children have to be careful, often pretending to be religious, so the ex doesn't cause problems and try to disrupt the custody arrangement.   

  

What if I had left without my husband?  Just because my views on the religion I was brought up with have changed, I should be denied the right to raise my son?  My son surely does not belong to any community!  In fundamentalist religions this is especially true.  Children are often married off young, before they have a chance to explore and find out if this is the life they want.  Since birth control is out of the question in many cases, they have children quickly.  What then?  What happens if she/he wants to leave.  Do they have to give up their children?  That should not happen.  Religion should never come between a parent and child, or between family in general.  Unfortunately, life has taught me that that is all too often the case. 

 
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May 1, 2006, 8:25 pm PDT

05/02 Missing

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This show has not aired yet, so I'm not sure which religious group they belong to but Id hazard a guess that they are Amish from the pictures. It doesn't matter too much which group, Amish, Mennonite, Hutterite etc. The thing is that these groups live very well organized communal lives. Their religion is the corner stone of each group and the rules and laws of these groups differ from the mainstream of American life. 

I dint know yet if this couple married  in the secular world, but if they DIDN'T, if they married under the laws and rules of the community where the Father now lives, then the Mother KNEW that according to those rules..the children belong to the community !! NOT the parents alone..but the whole community. 

Its not the way of those of us who do not live in one  of these long established religious communities, but its their way and always has been. These are not "crackpot" people, they are very good citizens all around...they are just different. 

  

Dint be too quick to Judge ! 

  

BJ 

Children belong to their parents, not a group of people and I don't care what the rules and regulations are, if kidnapping children is encouraged by any religious group then something is wrong, they certainly are not of God, not the loving and compassionate God that I serve anyway. I will not argue with the idea that it takes a village (to a certain extent) to help raise up children but a community of people do not have the right to come in between a family and encourage kidnapping, I sure hope this guy has a good reason for taking these kids away from their mother and as a fugitive, one who is running from the law, I highly doubt it.........Parents certainly can be their children's worse enemies but doing crap like this to them, they suffer just as theparetn does and Iw ould think even more, kids deserve to feel loved and secure and not living life on the run, this father needs to be ashamed of himself for the way he is making his children live, what kind of life does he think he is offering them! Religious group or not, he has no right to kidnapp these girls, if there is something going on that shouldn't be to cause the girls to be unsafe with the mother, running from the law is not the answer, makes him look more guilty then what he is, the girls deserve better............................
 
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May 2, 2006, 7:55 am PDT

you in a CULT????

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This show has not aired yet, so I'm not sure which religious group they belong to but Id hazard a guess that they are Amish from the pictures. It doesn't matter too much which group, Amish, Mennonite, Hutterite etc. The thing is that these groups live very well organized communal lives. Their religion is the corner stone of each group and the rules and laws of these groups differ from the mainstream of American life. 

I dint know yet if this couple married  in the secular world, but if they DIDN'T, if they married under the laws and rules of the community where the Father now lives, then the Mother KNEW that according to those rules..the children belong to the community !! NOT the parents alone..but the whole community. 

Its not the way of those of us who do not live in one  of these long established religious communities, but its their way and always has been. These are not "crackpot" people, they are very good citizens all around...they are just different. 

  

Dint be too quick to Judge ! 

  

BJ 

That's a crock of crap....Kids don't belong to a community...They Belong to the Mother and The Father...EQUALY...and NO COMMUNITY has the right to take them away...you sound as if you are in one of these groups so you must feel the need to justify there actions...ITS A CULT....can we all say together JIM JONES.....he murdered all that followed  him and then there's the CULT...that the Federal Government had to go in ....and the  whole house was blown to bits does that sound like a peaceful commnity....NO...any time a person tries to replace you own right and beliefs its called BRAIN WASHING!!!!!...and you say different....yes its real different to loose your children...!!!!...I hope no one has taken your don't you think thats a little cruel...These people are exactly what the BIBLE says FALSE PROFITS WILL COME IN MY NAME.......Matthew 7-15 Beware False Profits who come to you in sheep's clothing..But inwardly they are ravenous wolves... 

  

  

Let us not be so ready to jump on the next Comet out of the universe....Remember that one!!!! 

 

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May 2, 2006, 8:18 am PDT

Are you listening to what you say?

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This show has not aired yet, so I'm not sure which religious group they belong to but Id hazard a guess that they are Amish from the pictures. It doesn't matter too much which group, Amish, Mennonite, Hutterite etc. The thing is that these groups live very well organized communal lives. Their religion is the corner stone of each group and the rules and laws of these groups differ from the mainstream of American life. 

I dint know yet if this couple married  in the secular world, but if they DIDN'T, if they married under the laws and rules of the community where the Father now lives, then the Mother KNEW that according to those rules..the children belong to the community !! NOT the parents alone..but the whole community. 

Its not the way of those of us who do not live in one  of these long established religious communities, but its their way and always has been. These are not "crackpot" people, they are very good citizens all around...they are just different. 

  

Dint be too quick to Judge ! 

  

BJ 

Can you really re-read what you have written and still think the same?      

 Do you have children?       

How would you feel if your children were taken away from you?  

   

Anyone who takes children away from their own parent is a crackpot.  Anything can be negotiated.  

Children Services all over the country have "visitation rooms" so that even parents who have done considerable damage to their children can have contact with those same children.   (supervised, but yes, they get visitation).    

   

Yes, there are many "different" lifestyles, some guided by religious affiliations.   But these religious organizations have to see is that harboring someone who is using their religious community to hide and promote this bad behavior is bad for the religious community, bad for the general community, and bad for the family in question.     

   

 
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May 2, 2006, 4:29 pm PDT

meowmumtu

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This show has not aired yet, so I'm not sure which religious group they belong to but Id hazard a guess that they are Amish from the pictures. It doesn't matter too much which group, Amish, Mennonite, Hutterite etc. The thing is that these groups live very well organized communal lives. Their religion is the corner stone of each group and the rules and laws of these groups differ from the mainstream of American life. 

I dint know yet if this couple married  in the secular world, but if they DIDN'T, if they married under the laws and rules of the community where the Father now lives, then the Mother KNEW that according to those rules..the children belong to the community !! NOT the parents alone..but the whole community. 

Its not the way of those of us who do not live in one  of these long established religious communities, but its their way and always has been. These are not "crackpot" people, they are very good citizens all around...they are just different. 

  

Dint be too quick to Judge ! 

  

BJ 

 the show has not aired and yet you were quick to judge even though you  stated "dont be too quick to judge". These girls have TWO parents!
 


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