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May 8, 2006, 7:57 am PDT

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I may be opening a can of worms  here but I can not help how passionate I am about this subject.I feel there should be some kind Of religious police!  

We talk about abuse of children,what is worse than a brain washing cult!  

My grandfather always taught me there was only one God and  he or she was loving god.  

Since I have grown up I feel I don't understand how some groups can actually brain wash people but I know how it works!  

If you cant feel your own feelings and speak what you feel in your heart how is this a religion?I am surprised it is legal to allow children to be treated this way and I'm surprised it's legal.Especially those studs with more than 1 wife.Its illegal to hit a child in the classroom or say the Lords prayer ,why can young children have religion shoved down there throats at home when its not religion but  wrong moral teaching and abuse!Teaching people everyone else but their religion are bad people is abuse no matter how you put it.  

 "There should be some kind of religious police!"

Don't worry, many American police personnel are deeply religious. :)

On a serious note, I don't know if you've heard, but there are progressive nations that do have "religious police." The U.S. could learn much from their successes. Places like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and North Korea. History is rich with examples as well, such as Soviet Russia, Cambodia, and Hitler's Third Reich. The communist governments especially, have developed highly effective anti-brainwashing programs. Do you suppose you would feel at home in any of these regimes?
 
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May 8, 2006, 8:46 am PDT

Religious Police?

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I may be opening a can of worms  here but I can not help how passionate I am about this subject.I feel there should be some kind Of religious police!  

We talk about abuse of children,what is worse than a brain washing cult!  

My grandfather always taught me there was only one God and  he or she was loving god.  

Since I have grown up I feel I don't understand how some groups can actually brain wash people but I know how it works!  

If you cant feel your own feelings and speak what you feel in your heart how is this a religion?I am surprised it is legal to allow children to be treated this way and I'm surprised it's legal.Especially those studs with more than 1 wife.Its illegal to hit a child in the classroom or say the Lords prayer ,why can young children have religion shoved down there throats at home when its not religion but  wrong moral teaching and abuse!Teaching people everyone else but their religion are bad people is abuse no matter how you put it.  

Last time I looked, I believe American's have the freedom to worship anyway they choose and to also inculcate that belief system in their children as long as it is not harming them in any way.  Just because a religion is a bit different from the accepted norms they are labled a cult.  Many of todays accepted religions were once thought of as cults when they first started.  These girls look healthy to me.  I think what is harming them the most and causing most of the problem is the conflict between the parents.  Michael has a right to teach his beliefs to his daughters as does Michele.  Neither parent should be undermining the other.  This does not mean Michele has to support Michael's religious ideals but she should not undermine or degrade his beliefs to the children. 
 
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May 8, 2006, 10:58 am PDT

brilliant idea

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I may be opening a can of worms  here but I can not help how passionate I am about this subject.I feel there should be some kind Of religious police!  

We talk about abuse of children,what is worse than a brain washing cult!  

My grandfather always taught me there was only one God and  he or she was loving god.  

Since I have grown up I feel I don't understand how some groups can actually brain wash people but I know how it works!  

If you cant feel your own feelings and speak what you feel in your heart how is this a religion?I am surprised it is legal to allow children to be treated this way and I'm surprised it's legal.Especially those studs with more than 1 wife.Its illegal to hit a child in the classroom or say the Lords prayer ,why can young children have religion shoved down there throats at home when its not religion but  wrong moral teaching and abuse!Teaching people everyone else but their religion are bad people is abuse no matter how you put it.  

Brilliant idea, however one always faces the problem of who is right and who is wrong.  As a christian we believe (no, we know) that there is only one God.  As a muslim they believe, no know, that their god is right.  However, what is sickening is that this sexual obsessed men - proven by their many wifes and dominating behaviour - base their so-called religion - on the Bible.  They twist the truth to suite their own needs.  The problem with these religions is that they more often than not, turn into horrible mishaps, unhappiness and mostly in death (inside & outside).  Go to www.amw.com and see that one of your most wanted persons committed unacceptable crimes in the name of religion.  At least, we live in the most dangerous country in the world (South Africa - where else), here they kill in Johannesburg alone 9000 people a month - in the name of evil and not the false pretense of some cult or the other.  Police them if you want to keep your company in tact.  These children could not make a choice - not that they had no choice, but purely because of the fear of their choice.  That's how these cults operate - choose yes or no, but remember God said you MUST choose xxx or else you will be punished by His 'personally' called prophets or whatever they call these obsessive monsters.  Do not be fooled by the answers of the girls but look at their reaction and eyes when they make their choice.
 
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May 8, 2006, 4:20 pm PDT

Ironic, amazing

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I may be opening a can of worms  here but I can not help how passionate I am about this subject.I feel there should be some kind Of religious police!  

We talk about abuse of children,what is worse than a brain washing cult!  

My grandfather always taught me there was only one God and  he or she was loving god.  

Since I have grown up I feel I don't understand how some groups can actually brain wash people but I know how it works!  

If you cant feel your own feelings and speak what you feel in your heart how is this a religion?I am surprised it is legal to allow children to be treated this way and I'm surprised it's legal.Especially those studs with more than 1 wife.Its illegal to hit a child in the classroom or say the Lords prayer ,why can young children have religion shoved down there throats at home when its not religion but  wrong moral teaching and abuse!Teaching people everyone else but their religion are bad people is abuse no matter how you put it.  

We need religious police for these brainwashing cults? Please allow me to tell you some things about the brainwashing cult that Michael and his oldest daughter joined. I’m not talking about the Hutterites here. I’m not as familiar with them but I do know they share some similar beliefs and both are part of the Anabaptist heritage. The brethren church they are part of has a long established history. They are Christian peace loving people who would go out of their way to help anyone. They go to work, school, eat, sleep and raise family’s just like everyone else. They believe in their ways just like you believe in yours. They teach their children their ways but do not force or manipulate their children into their church anymore than any other Christian people do. Their desire is that their children will become part of their church family but they strongly believe it must be of their own free will. In fact, I know they sometimes discourage their children from joining if they think the child is to young or immature to make that kind of decision. Some grow up and join other churches and some join no church at all. If you still want to maintain they are a brainwashing cult that is your choice but most people that interact and know these people would disagree. I can say that with a good deal of confidence because I don’t think Social Services or Child Protective Services would entrust children to a brainwashing cult that victimizes children. Do you? In case you didn’t get that, let me ask you the question again. DO YOU THINK SOCIAL SERVICES OR CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES WOULD HAND OVER CHILDREN TO A BRAINWASHING CULT THAT VICTIMIZES CHILDREN? I didn’t think so. Several family’s of this church foster children. Some have also adopted. Sometimes the foster parents even get frustrated because the CPS pressure them into taking on more children. The CPS know that these are trustworthy people who will provide a loving, stable environment for the children, and believe me, the children need it desperately. It is kind of ironic that these people who almost never divorce, never put their children through a custody battle and put great emphases on strong family relationships would be accused of victimizing children. Simply amazing. 

 
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May 9, 2006, 1:07 am PDT

There are many types of abuse

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I may be opening a can of worms  here but I can not help how passionate I am about this subject.I feel there should be some kind Of religious police!  

We talk about abuse of children,what is worse than a brain washing cult!  

My grandfather always taught me there was only one God and  he or she was loving god.  

Since I have grown up I feel I don't understand how some groups can actually brain wash people but I know how it works!  

If you cant feel your own feelings and speak what you feel in your heart how is this a religion?I am surprised it is legal to allow children to be treated this way and I'm surprised it's legal.Especially those studs with more than 1 wife.Its illegal to hit a child in the classroom or say the Lords prayer ,why can young children have religion shoved down there throats at home when its not religion but  wrong moral teaching and abuse!Teaching people everyone else but their religion are bad people is abuse no matter how you put it.  

 Ok, religious police is a bit far fetched and scary.  But I do agree that in society, the only abuse taken seriously is physical abuse.  Children are not removed from their home because their parents yell at them 24-7, or because their parents never hug them.  It's a fine line, and it's almost impossible to differentiate as to what is abuse and what is not.  But there is definitely some blantant abuse that is going on which is not being prosecuted.  Both by individuals and religious groups as well.  Sometimes this is due to the fact that a religious group has a lot of political clout.  The community I come from is one of those.  It's the worst kept secret that the boys there get only about a 2nd grade education, most of them can barely write a grocery list or a thank you note, but no one does anything about it.  Is that abuse?  Absolutely!
To those who say that the girls weren't brainwashed, that the hutterites would never force a child to join, I disagree.  The hutterites do not hide the fact that they feel women should cook and clean, and nothing else.  They don't hide the fact that in their society women are 2nd class citizens.  Tell any typical American kid that the religion they're about to join believes those things, and we'll see how many will sign up.  Also, tell the typical kid that they shouldn't live with their mother because of their religion and we'll see how popular it will be.
Some say this is not a cult.  Could be that because of my history I have a very broad definition of what a cult is.  To me, if the religion puts conditions on parental love, e.g. they only love you as long as you follow the religion, if it puts religion before family, if individuality is the sin of all sins, if there is a stirct dress code, if the children are isolated to the point that they have difficulty functioning in society if they were to choose to leave, those are some factors that I would  consider  to be signs of a cult.
 


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