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May 26, 2006, 9:12 am PDT

03/27 More Wifestyles, Part 3

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I have tried to post this before and it doesn't come through.  Anyhow, your mindset is what really bothers me.  I wil clarify.  You feel, whether you exactly say it or not, that women who use daycare really don't need to- that we are in essence living a lifestyle that we put above our kids.  You mentioned all that you give up to be home...well, guess what I know several two income families who don't have those things either.  I have explained in detail my life and finances- in no way are we living the "high" life but yes, my kids have things I feel are important.  We are also wise savers and spenders as we have no credit card debt and no car payments.  We also have life insurance but if I didn't work that would be a "luxury" we couldn't afford.  Personally, the things you claim you give up really don't sound all that serious- especially if you are out shopping for picture frames and have enough savings to live on if need be.   To me, it sounds like you create your own unhappiness.  Let me explain.  You don't have a driver's license?  WHY?   What if you had to take your daughter to ER?  Also, you moved into an area with totally opposite beliefs than yours...why?  Maybe, if you worked, you and hubby could have moved/stayed where you have something in common with your neighbors.  Now, you are isolated to a point and don't sound happy about it.  I am NOT bitter.  I'm not sure where you get that.  I just get tired of hearing "I'm a Mommy on weekends/evenings" and "I'm not the same level of parent as a SAHM" and I don't sacrifice enough to be home with my kids.  If I hadn't worked all this time, we'd be in a  lesser neighborhood with a lot more crime and bad schools.  My hubby grew up like that and there is no benefit in that.  I agree, some can live a good life and stay home in other parts of the country,  Julie, for example, has a charmed life.  Good for her...except for me I'd rather have my husband home.  I don't think in any way shape or form my kids have missed out on Mommy being home.   I have missed things (not their milestones but others) but that's loss for me NOT THEM!  They are doing just fine.  I could brag up and down about them but I don't need to.  Yes, I am very grateful for my nice job.  It puts food on the table.  I am grateful I have spectacular kids.  I am grateful for a LOT in my life.  The things you said, indirectly/directly, were very offensive and then  to pull back, say sorry and expect I'll "play nice"- I don't think so.  To attack someone on their parenting style (which you did) is probably one of the meanest things you could do-good example for daughter!   

You feel, whether you exactly say it or not, that women who use daycare really don't need to- that we are in essence living a lifestyle that we put above our kids.  

  

I'm going to come to purple pain's defence.  I haven't heard her say anything of the sort and if she hasn't said that, how do you know that she feels it?   

  

 I just get tired of hearing "I'm a Mommy on weekends/evenings" and "I'm not the same level of parent as a SAHM" and I don't sacrifice enough to be home with my kids.  

  

While there was a bit of that from Amy and Diana on the first wifestyle show board,  I think that idea has been pretty roundly knocked down.  

  

People can be fulltime mothers and full time fathers, regardless of their work status. I run my own law firm and I am still a fulltime mother -parent helper at school, soccer coach and completely involved in their lives.  I have used both daycare and nannies over the years and I think we are working just great.    

  

All of us parents feel some guilt because we are none of us perfect.  I get that and all but I think you are lashing out where you don't need to.  

 

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May 26, 2006, 9:39 am PDT

03/27 More Wifestyles, Part 3

Quote From: kschmittz

I have tried to post this before and it doesn't come through.  Anyhow, your mindset is what really bothers me.  I wil clarify.  You feel, whether you exactly say it or not, that women who use daycare really don't need to- that we are in essence living a lifestyle that we put above our kids.  You mentioned all that you give up to be home...well, guess what I know several two income families who don't have those things either.  I have explained in detail my life and finances- in no way are we living the "high" life but yes, my kids have things I feel are important.  We are also wise savers and spenders as we have no credit card debt and no car payments.  We also have life insurance but if I didn't work that would be a "luxury" we couldn't afford.  Personally, the things you claim you give up really don't sound all that serious- especially if you are out shopping for picture frames and have enough savings to live on if need be.   To me, it sounds like you create your own unhappiness.  Let me explain.  You don't have a driver's license?  WHY?   What if you had to take your daughter to ER?  Also, you moved into an area with totally opposite beliefs than yours...why?  Maybe, if you worked, you and hubby could have moved/stayed where you have something in common with your neighbors.  Now, you are isolated to a point and don't sound happy about it.  I am NOT bitter.  I'm not sure where you get that.  I just get tired of hearing "I'm a Mommy on weekends/evenings" and "I'm not the same level of parent as a SAHM" and I don't sacrifice enough to be home with my kids.  If I hadn't worked all this time, we'd be in a  lesser neighborhood with a lot more crime and bad schools.  My hubby grew up like that and there is no benefit in that.  I agree, some can live a good life and stay home in other parts of the country,  Julie, for example, has a charmed life.  Good for her...except for me I'd rather have my husband home.  I don't think in any way shape or form my kids have missed out on Mommy being home.   I have missed things (not their milestones but others) but that's loss for me NOT THEM!  They are doing just fine.  I could brag up and down about them but I don't need to.  Yes, I am very grateful for my nice job.  It puts food on the table.  I am grateful I have spectacular kids.  I am grateful for a LOT in my life.  The things you said, indirectly/directly, were very offensive and then  to pull back, say sorry and expect I'll "play nice"- I don't think so.  To attack someone on their parenting style (which you did) is probably one of the meanest things you could do-good example for daughter!   

"You feel, whether you exactly say it or not, that women who use daycare really don't need to- that we are in essence living a lifestyle that we put above our kids."

False assumption. I never said anything like that.

"You mentioned all that you give up to be home...well, guess what I know several two income families who don't have those things either."

Well I guess my husband just has a really good job then. We are glad about it everyday.

"I have explained in detail my life and finances- in no way are we living the "high" life but yes, my kids have things I feel are important."

And that is GOOD! Every mother does her best to give her kids the things they  feel are important. Good for you!

"We are also wise savers and spenders as we have no credit card debt and no car payments.  We also have life insurance but if I didn't work that would be a "luxury" we couldn't afford. Personally, the things you claim you give up really don't sound all that serious- especially if you are out shopping for picture frames and have enough savings to live on if need be."

Once again, you didn't read everything I wrote. I think you get all fired up and mad at a few sentences and refuse to read what someone wrote entirely. I got those picture frames at all a dollar. I spent a grand total of $7....WOW!!! OH NO!!! Seriously...you look like a big fool when you make these assumptions and you obviously refuse to read everything I write. Our lives are better now. We moved to this area to save gas money and my husband recently got this great job (About 3-4 months ago.) So things have been better then before. People have ups and downs. Right now is a nice up.

"To me, it sounds like you create your own unhappiness."

For the last time. I am NOT NOT NOT NOT NOOOOOOT unhappy. I had a bad day, and I apologized for it REPEATEDLY. As of 3-4 posts ago I said that I am happy and doing what I'm passionate about all day and that I am fulfilled. So...WRONG AGAIN!

"You don't have a driver's license?  WHY?"

Isn't that my business? You wanna know why? Because by the time I was 16 I have seen 3 people killed in car accidents. I literally saw brains splattered on the road...LITERALLY. I am scared to death and unable to focus when I'm in a car. I would be dangerous behind the wheel until I learn to relax. Isn't it good that I am mature enough to know that I shouldn't drive a car even though it would be more convenient for my life? And again, not that it's your business, but my husband works about 3 blocks away, if there is an emergency he can drive home or I can call 911. Be reasonable here.

 "What if you had to take your daughter to ER? "

You can "what if" all day long.

"Also, you moved into an area with totally opposite beliefs than yours...why?"

I used to be mormon, I live in (near) salt lake city....need more explanation than that? This is ALL mormon around here. It's a great neighborhood though. I'm new here, I'm sure I'll find friends, I have found a few already and the crime rate is almost zero.

"Now, you are isolated to a point and don't sound happy about it. "

Again, I said sorry for being in a bad mood. I'm very happy. I have a nice home, a great marriage, I get to do what I want to do and since I've lived here for 4 months I am meeting more and more people. And I'm not isolated. Not in the least.

"I am NOT bitter. "

Maybe not, I don't know you. But you sure are unforgiving and you sure do stick to first impressions too much. Let it go, I apologized to you repeatedly.

"I'm not sure where you get that.  I just get tired of hearing "I'm a Mommy on weekends/evenings" and "I'm not the same level of parent as a SAHM" and I don't sacrifice enough to be home with my kids. "

OK...for the umpteenth time....I AM SORRY I SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT!!!! I WAS IN A BAD MOOD SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY. A heads up on how many  more times I have to say sorry would be nice though. Again...SORRY.

"If I hadn't worked all this time, we'd be in a lesser neighborhood with a lot more crime and bad schools.  My hubby grew up like that and there is no benefit in that. "

Good! That is great that you can provide your kids with what you want them to have! Good! That is the job of every good parent. Do the best for your kids you can! Seriously, not sarcasm, good for you guys! A lot of people have a hard time breaking a cycle of bad neighborhoods and such. I'm glad you guys found a happy, healthy and safe place to raise your family. That's great!

"I agree, some can live a good life and stay home in other parts of the country,  Julie, for example, has a charmed life.  Good for her...except for me I'd rather have my husband home. "

Well, that's her choice and sacrifice right? Good for her! She's doing what she thinks is best for HER family.

"I don't think in any way shape or form my kids have missed out on Mommy being home. "

Like I said, I know of no study that says kids in daycare are damaged or harmed or anything. So it comes down to personal choice. Right? I'm glad your kids are doing well, that is good!

"I have missed things (not their milestones but others) but that's loss for me NOT THEM!  They are doing just fine.  I could brag up and down about them but I don't need to. "

Again, I'm very happy your kids are doing well. That is the most important thing right? That  your kids are happy, healthy, safe and developing well...right? Good!

"Yes, I am very grateful for my nice job.  It puts food on the table.  I am grateful I have spectacular kids.  I am grateful for a LOT in my life. "

As, like I said, I'm sure we all are. In this country we should all be happy. We have things that other mothers could NEVER provide, clean water, food, medicine, war free homes and a childhood free from seeing people die in front of them.

"The things you said, indirectly/directly, were very offensive and then  to pull back, say sorry and expect I'll "play nice"- I don't think so. 

So you don't forgive? You don't accept apologies? Once people wrong you they are forever on your crap list?

To attack someone on their parenting style (which you did) is probably one of the meanest things you could do-good example for daughter!  "

So you never forgive someone when they make a mistake? Nice example for YOUR kids. Seriously. If you don't want to accept my apology then why are you bothering to talk to me? Nothing I can say will make it better aparently. I'm not trying to "play nice"....I'm TRYING to be forgiven for making a mistake. A decent human being would just forgive by now and read what I've been saying ever since.

You live your life the way you see fit and I will live my life as I see fit. Our kids are happy and doing well and our family's are a happy and doing well. What more can any of us ask for. Really?

It's time to put your anger for me behind you because it's gone on long enough ok? Seriously. I think I've more then begged my way out of this, so now your anger is your problem. Not mine. You really should learn to be a bit more forgiving.  I've done all I can do on my end about this.

So, take a deep breath. We are all mom's doing our best to make our own little worlds go round and try to turn out good human beings who will make the world a better place.

Everyone here seems to be doing just that and it's nice to see.

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