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June 25, 2006, 10:52 am PDT

03/27 More Wifestyles, Part 3

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"You seem to operate under the assumption that only a dual income marriage is a true partnership. Do you and your husband divvy up whose money is whose and who pays for what? My husband and I have different roles in our family and his happens to generate the income. It doesn't mean we don't make family decisions jointly and that it's HIS money. Neither of us could have our life without the other. "  

  

First off, I know deep down you have respect for the dual income family as noted in a lot of your posts.  I assume that this was just a bad day.  Since you have never worked outside the home  

(and I'm not saying that mean, just stating a fact) you can't really comment on the differences between my marriage and yours.  No, I do not think the only true partnership is a dual income family, however, it doeslevel the playing field.  Let me explain....all the Wifestyles shows have single income families and all of them are unhappy.   Next, because I work outside the home and help with bills, my hubby helps more with housework, kids and whatever else needs to be done.  He would probably still do all of that if I didn't work (he's a great guy like that) BUT I would not want that for him.  IF we had the money for me to stay home, I am the kind of person I would take care of it...clean house, stimulated kids, involved at school. etc.  In fact, I do a lot of that now and I bring home a check.There would be very few PJ days and not showering.  I understand if you have infants or multiple kids with few years in between but again, you and hubby chose that.  My hubby has said if I stayed home that he would definitely want a picked up house, dinner on the table and all that.  The extremes of micromanangement shown on the TV are just ridiculous- I th ink we all know that.  However, I will say (again) that some women don't feel the drive to do much beyond the basics when they are home.  I do not or have EVER thought staying home was easy but I think a lot of women take advantage and get burned out.  For instance, if one has never worked or stuggled how can they appreciate what they have?  That's my point.    

  Also, in my house, ALL the $$ goes into ONE account and we pay what we need to from there and spend the rest.  My husband has not signed a check in years and he's OK with that.  Truth be told, I handle most of the bill paying.  As long as things are not shut off and they dont' call he's happy.  From what I understand, you have a charmed life and that's great.  However, a lot of women who stay home and are virtually obvlivious to the money part are really not in a good position if something happened.  Be it divorce, death or disability most women who don't get involved in the money aspect of marriage are at a huge disadvantage.  I'm NOT saying all women SHOULD work...just get involved and make sure that somehow your skills are kept up.  Someone who has been out the workforce (even if only a few years) is not near as  likely to be hired on at a decent salary.  That is just fact.  Some manage to go back out and do well but that is not the norm.  Just a thought.  Sorry for the novel but I have limited post time so I have to make it count!  

  

Kira  

schmittz4@sbcglobal.net (email anytime, you seem nice)  

Hi Kira, I don't really want to be in conflict with you. I stood up for you when I felt others were making insensitive comments about working Moms, and yet you keep hurling offenses at SAHMs. Do you think that doesn't include me?  

   

You're right I have never been a working Mom. My comment about the dual income marriage was in regards to your argument that a SAHM didn't "earn" her lifestyle because she doesn't make the money. Marriages are partnerships regardless of the set-up. My husband and I have earned our lifestyle because we are married, we are partners, and as much as I could not have some "things" without him, he could not have his job and family without ever worrying about if the daily needs of our children or home without me. We value each other equally, just as I'm sure you and your husband do. My question was rhetorical as I assumed it didn't matter in your marriage who made more money - you are in it together.  

   

He would probably still do all of that if I didn't work (he's a great guy like that) BUT I would not want that for him.  IF we had the money for me to stay home, I am the kind of person I would take care of it...clean house, stimulated kids, involved at school. etc.  In fact, I do a lot of that now and I bring home a check.There would be very few PJ days and not showering.   

   

Okay, YOU have never been a SAHM. Why are you so sure you know exactly how much you could accomplish and exactly what it would be like? My children need supervision, physical care and attention ALL DAY EVERY DAY. They don't turn off after I have put in my 40 or even 60 hours. If my husband didn't help, I would be on Mommy duty from 6:30 am until 9:30 pm every day. In fact, that IS what my life has been like the past few weeks as my husband has been working and traveling non-stop. Yes, I have a charmed life in terms of material comforts, but that doesn't make my boys any less demanding. And I am doing it all - cooking, cleaning, laundry, shopping, bill paying. My days are not "bad", but they're not a cake walk. So yeah, I do resent the implication that I shouldn't expect hubby to pitch in when he can. In fact, he would be the first to tell you that he doesn't feel like he helps me enough - he gets that the more he works, the more I work. And his job has built-in perks that mine doesn't - expensive dinners with clients, a day and a half layover in Hawaii on his way back from Australia.  

   

Just as it was insulting to you for someone to say that you are not a "full time" or "real" Mom, it is equally insulting to a SAHM to say that our SOLE job is to cook and clean and we have ALL DAY to do it. If caring for children is no big deal, you'd be able to take them to work with you. It's also insulting to insinuate that we need to just shut up and be grateful. EVERYBODY gripes about their jobs from time to time and EVERYBODY needs breaks.  

   

Maybe some SAHMs do take advantage. Some of their husbands probably take advantage too by refusing to help at all and treating them with the "I support you" attitude. Some working Moms take advantage of their situations. I worked in a school with before and aftercare. Some kids were literally in school from 6:30 am until 6:00pm everyday and Mom would show up with manicured nails and shopping bags. Bottom line? SO WHAT? That's not you. It's not me. It's probably not anybody on these boards.  

   

Before this silly argument started, I found your post to be intelligent and compassionate. In your zeal to defend yourself as a working Mom, you are posting some insensitive comments at SAHMs. I understand why your feelings got hurt months ago, and I supported you then, but you seem unwilling to accept an apology and let it go. You do NOT need to defend yourself. Not to me....I wouldn't live in poverty either. Everybody makes the best choices for their family. We cross our fingers and pray we are making the best decisions. It's time to put this silly argument to rest. MOST Moms, regardless of their working status, work very hard and are devoted to their families. The ones who don't or take advantage of whatever their situation is - well, we can't do much about them, so forget them!  

 
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June 25, 2006, 2:45 pm PDT

03/27 More Wifestyles, Part 3

Quote From: kschmittz

"You seem to operate under the assumption that only a dual income marriage is a true partnership. Do you and your husband divvy up whose money is whose and who pays for what? My husband and I have different roles in our family and his happens to generate the income. It doesn't mean we don't make family decisions jointly and that it's HIS money. Neither of us could have our life without the other. "  

  

First off, I know deep down you have respect for the dual income family as noted in a lot of your posts.  I assume that this was just a bad day.  Since you have never worked outside the home  

(and I'm not saying that mean, just stating a fact) you can't really comment on the differences between my marriage and yours.  No, I do not think the only true partnership is a dual income family, however, it doeslevel the playing field.  Let me explain....all the Wifestyles shows have single income families and all of them are unhappy.   Next, because I work outside the home and help with bills, my hubby helps more with housework, kids and whatever else needs to be done.  He would probably still do all of that if I didn't work (he's a great guy like that) BUT I would not want that for him.  IF we had the money for me to stay home, I am the kind of person I would take care of it...clean house, stimulated kids, involved at school. etc.  In fact, I do a lot of that now and I bring home a check.There would be very few PJ days and not showering.  I understand if you have infants or multiple kids with few years in between but again, you and hubby chose that.  My hubby has said if I stayed home that he would definitely want a picked up house, dinner on the table and all that.  The extremes of micromanangement shown on the TV are just ridiculous- I th ink we all know that.  However, I will say (again) that some women don't feel the drive to do much beyond the basics when they are home.  I do not or have EVER thought staying home was easy but I think a lot of women take advantage and get burned out.  For instance, if one has never worked or stuggled how can they appreciate what they have?  That's my point.    

  Also, in my house, ALL the $$ goes into ONE account and we pay what we need to from there and spend the rest.  My husband has not signed a check in years and he's OK with that.  Truth be told, I handle most of the bill paying.  As long as things are not shut off and they dont' call he's happy.  From what I understand, you have a charmed life and that's great.  However, a lot of women who stay home and are virtually obvlivious to the money part are really not in a good position if something happened.  Be it divorce, death or disability most women who don't get involved in the money aspect of marriage are at a huge disadvantage.  I'm NOT saying all women SHOULD work...just get involved and make sure that somehow your skills are kept up.  Someone who has been out the workforce (even if only a few years) is not near as  likely to be hired on at a decent salary.  That is just fact.  Some manage to go back out and do well but that is not the norm.  Just a thought.  Sorry for the novel but I have limited post time so I have to make it count!  

  

Kira  

schmittz4@sbcglobal.net (email anytime, you seem nice)  

Do you work for Global Credit Union?  Just wondering. 

  

I have been reading some posts from this board and I decided that maybe I should join in.  I just want to say that I have been on both sides of the spectrum. 

  

My mom worked full time when I was a child, I turned out fine. 

  

I have worked and put my son in daycare (for about one year), and he is fine.  He actually really liked being around kids his own age. 

  

I am now a full time mom with two kids and sometimes I wish I did work to get a break. 

  

The point is, we all love our kids whether we leave the house to work or stay home to work. 

  

Hope everyone is doing great. 

Elffie 

 


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