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August 2, 2005, 5:43 pm PDT

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im just writing cause my cousin's 3 year old some is showing signs of add or adhd and nothing she does helps to get him under control.He runs all over her and we dont know what to do. she has talked to someone and they just say that there's nothing that can be done because he is too young to medicate..they havent even really done the testing on him for it .He is just out of control so if you have any advice please lend it . she is at her wits end here . thanks

 Tell your cousin to look up behavior modification strategies on the computer or there are many books.  If she needs professional help then look for a child psychologist..she may need a therapist for herself to deal with all of the "what have I done wrong"  feelings and stress.  Some psychologists have gone so far as to remove everything in the room except the bed (even the sheets) and the child had to "earn" his/her belongings back.  It is tough to diagnose early on.  They usually wait until the school years.  This may sound extreme but there are many versions of it..Please let her know that medication should be used as a LAST resort.  This child has to learn how to control him/herself and be responsible for his/her actions.  It takes time.  I'm sure she's worn out..Tell her also to do something for her self (a bath,walk, read a magazine any thing, paint her nails)..She needs her strength to be there for her child.
She should educate herself on add and adhd because when it comes time she needs to be an advocate for her child and fight for what she knows is right.  I hope this helps.  If I come across any sites I will reply to this message again
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August 13, 2005, 8:06 am PDT

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im just writing cause my cousin's 3 year old some is showing signs of add or adhd and nothing she does helps to get him under control.He runs all over her and we dont know what to do. she has talked to someone and they just say that there's nothing that can be done because he is too young to medicate..they havent even really done the testing on him for it .He is just out of control so if you have any advice please lend it . she is at her wits end here . thanks

I have a 15 yr old daughter who has ADHD, and it's been my experience that if you hold the same expectations for them as for a "normal" child, you CAN get results...sometimes it takes a little longer, and sometimes you have to break things down into step by step instructions, just giving them one step at a time, but if you give them the same rules and consequences as any other child their age would have, and are consistent, you WILL see results.  A child who "runs all over" the parent is not receiving consistent discipline, and the parent is teaching the child that their behavior is acceptable.  

 

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July 29, 2006, 5:36 am PDT

i grew up with adhd

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 This is my first time on here.

im just writing cause my cousin's 3 year old some is showing signs of add or adhd and nothing she does helps to get him under control.He runs all over her and we dont know what to do. she has talked to someone and they just say that there's nothing that can be done because he is too young to medicate..they havent even really done the testing on him for it .He is just out of control so if you have any advice please lend it . she is at her wits end here . thanks

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May 16, 2008, 7:29 pm PDT

Been there, done that

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 This is my first time on here.

im just writing cause my cousin's 3 year old some is showing signs of add or adhd and nothing she does helps to get him under control.He runs all over her and we dont know what to do. she has talked to someone and they just say that there's nothing that can be done because he is too young to medicate..they havent even really done the testing on him for it .He is just out of control so if you have any advice please lend it . she is at her wits end here . thanks

The quick fix: get your hands on a best selling book called:

 How to Talk so Kids Will Listen and Listen So Kids Will Talk", by Adelle Faber and Elaine Mazulich.

 

Used copies can be had for $1.99 and your library probably has it. It's 40% cartoons, and 1/2 inch thick, so an easy read. Read it again...and again. And put copies of the core points on the kitchen cupboards for constant affirmation.  You WILL change the way you speak to and listen to your children. And they will respond positively. And the drama/tension level in the household will decrease substantially. No sticker charts, no bribes, no EXTRA work for mom, the techniques can be used anywhere, anytime, even while speeding down the freeway at 65 MPH.

And moms, you are NOT required to give answers in an immediate,  knee-jerk fashion. You are free to say' Hmm, let me think about that" and....'Uh, I don't want to'. And 'NO' IS a complete sentence. Try, "That's quite an idea, but...I'm not comfortable with that".  A child needs your help to calculate the risk factors in their lives. BTW, discipline and punishment are two diferent things. Disipline is a learning process,  being guided on how to develop SELF-discipline. Punishment is a painful consequnce doled out by someone bigger and stronger. Who may not have SELF-discipline themselves. Huh.

 

After raising two daughters as a divorced older mom, one with ADHD and the younger a high achiever, I've been been there, done that. Here's the thing. As adults, we believe we can 'CONTROL' children, (and other adults too).  The truth is, once those babies are mobile, you're already losing physical control.  The trick is, you have to outsmart them. And work with what you've got.

 

Remember, nobody gets off scott free. If they don't have ADHD, it's frizzy hair, or a big butt, or too tall, or too short, or fat or skinny, buck teeth, stick out ears, I could go on....

 

You can't outsmart (control) a child, if you are most often sitting around, watching TV, or giving your cell phone priority. It takes thought and observation of each child. Oh, you can be an 'armchair parent 'alright, but don't expect to raise children to be good world citizens that way. What is an armchair parent? How often do you shout,  Don't, Stop!, I told you..., from your seat and you wonder why you get no results?  It takes effort, parents, lots of effort.

You have to get up and out of your seat and direct the child yourself. You want them to put a coat on? Get up! and say, 'we're going to put your coat on now. It's too cold outside.' And then help with getting their coat on. Plain and simple (and in a loving tone of voice).  You don't need to say "You need to put your coat on".  A child responds to truth. The truth is, the child could care less about putting on their coat, THEY don't feel the need. The truth is, YOU care. Be honest. "I want you to put your coat on".

 

If your child is hyper at dinner, let them take a bite, chew it up and send them down the hall for a couple of somersaults.  Back for another bite, chew it up , more somersaults. Who cares? You get to have your dinner conversation and the child gets to respond to their natural inclination. Get them one of those little fitness trampolines, to burn off energy. A Nerf ball in the house is safe. Water play is very calming, let them stand on a chair at the sink and play with the plasticware. Water all over? So what ? It cleans up the floor quite nicely.

 

Bad behavior in the mall? Don't take them! They are absolutely over-stimulated there. If they need new shoes, go by yourself, pick out 6-8 pairs, buy them, bring them home for try-ons and return the rejects. The stress level for both of you will decrease exponentially.

 

ADHD kids don't know they are 'out of the norm' with thier behaviors. To them, that's what comes naturally. They hear ALL noises equally, vying for their attention, thus none get their full attention. In a classroom, the hum of a fish tank pump is as loud as the kid in the back of the class who is tapping his pencil, and the janitor mowing the softball field and the voice of the teacher. Try it, it's hard! But give them headphones with reasonable music, and they can concentrate and get the job done. Try it.  Work with what you've got. They're valuable little people and they'll be fine in the end, if you give them the love and the tools they need, via EFFORT and observation.

 

Why make thier lives any more miserable? As parents, we're supposed to give our children a  'Soft place to fall'. Not put fear into thier hearts.

My ADHD daughter is a night owl, always has been. Bedtime rule? "Stay in your bedroom for the rest of the night. Do not do anything that would wake up the rest of us or is destructive, I love you bunches and forever and  and, OH,  by the way, you WILL get up every morning and go to school, no matter how tired you may be". In adolescence, she would completely rearrange her room in the middle of the night (quietly) and she always made it to school, awake.

 

She was surly, hostile, quick to anger, lots of sprains and breaks, didn't like to be touched much, did I mention surly? She'd go from OK to angry in a nano-second. Underlying issue was, not in touch with the various nuances of feelings! So we talked a lot about feelings...like the difference between frustrated and angry, shocked and angry, envious and angry. Once she could identify the different things she was really feeling, she could express it, and exert some increasing control over them. Her moods stopped controlling her.

 

At 22, she has either outgrown many of the behaviors or developed 'coping skills'. Today, she is a loving, always laughing, caring, reliable CNA in an assisted living home, yep, graveyard shift.  Studying to be a nurse.  We NEED people who are nightowls. Cops, fireman, nurses, etc. She has great value to the community and has incredible common sense. You will not spend your taxes on her, as a parasite crack addict, alchohlic, prisoner, or resident of a mental heath facility.

 

All it takes is realizing... you chose to bring these little people here, it's your job to turn them into good citizens, and stand-up people, who bring something to the table. That is a requirement of all humanity and societies, at their most basic level.

 

 
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May 16, 2008, 7:34 pm PDT

Spanking: Useful or Cruel?

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 This is my first time on here.

im just writing cause my cousin's 3 year old some is showing signs of add or adhd and nothing she does helps to get him under control.He runs all over her and we dont know what to do. she has talked to someone and they just say that there's nothing that can be done because he is too young to medicate..they havent even really done the testing on him for it .He is just out of control so if you have any advice please lend it . she is at her wits end here . thanks

He should be tested... but also for bipolar because it can show up as ADD or ADHD in young kids.... but if it is ADD or ADHD... there is a specail (and WONDERFUL) diet that helps these kids calm down. I believe it's very simular to the autism diet. ADD or ADHD as well as autism are thought to be illnesses that attack the body due to a severe sensitvity or allergy to foods. Just a thought.
 
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May 26, 2008, 7:52 pm PDT

Frist, get a real medical opinion.

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 This is my first time on here.

im just writing cause my cousin's 3 year old some is showing signs of add or adhd and nothing she does helps to get him under control.He runs all over her and we dont know what to do. she has talked to someone and they just say that there's nothing that can be done because he is too young to medicate..they havent even really done the testing on him for it .He is just out of control so if you have any advice please lend it . she is at her wits end here . thanks

At three years old they are saying he's ADHD and too young to be medicated.  I'll agree with the second part; he's too young to be medicated.  You don't give a three year old drugs!  This first part I'll disagree with forever.  I've said before, when our generation (30 plus), was growing up, there was no ADHD.  You paid attention or you got punished.  May be a spanking by your parents, but may be by teachers as well.  I once was hit in the back by a book by a teacher for not listening, hit on the head with a zippo lighter too.  I saw other students get their mouths taped shut with duct tape for not shutting up in class, hit with a paddle for misbehaving,  and thrown across the room into a wall for disrespecting the teacher.  I am NOT saying I agree with these methods of discipline.  What I am saying is when we were growing up, that's the way it was.  And we listened because we knew what could happen.  Today, authority figures can't do these things to kids and now there is ADHD.  Pay attention or get punished, don't pay attention and you have a disorder.  It's crap!  Give me any child diagnosed with ADHD.  I'll give him  a Playstation and I bet he pays attention to the game!  It's not the kids' fault.  I remember high school.  I had a history teacher who made class fun.  I got A's all year.  I had a biology teacher who was a nasty bitch.  I got D's and F's.  Parents and teachers need to grab a child's attention and keep it.  But to say a kid who doesn't pay attention has a disorder is ridiculous.  He doesn't have discipline.
 


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