Replies to '09/21 Cult Confrontations'

Dear cthelite,

I am very sad to hear of your deep pain and loss of your daughter to the Mafu AKA Penny Torres Channeling Group.  I was with this group for over 15 years.... and I personally spend about $100,000.00 to stay in the many differnt Mastery Groups that met in the lat 80's through 1999.

I know it is very difficult to understand what this New Age Stuff is all about.... I can only speak about my own experiences there.

This group also is being funded by your TAX money in the form of GRANTS for the Oregon Tiger Sancuary at the Eagle Point Oregon Location... that is where the person who CHANNELS MAFU lives and has something like a SLAVE came of devotees working for the payment to get to attend the events that are channelled for free.

Frist i will tell you, that most of the people there... just like my self... in the beginning are DRAWN because of very low-self esteem... the GURU... TEACHER or CHANNEL becomes the parent that you never had... the one who BELIEVES in your other worldly higher ideas.  In the beginning for years... you have the carrott of becoming a SUPER HERO.... or SUPER BEING.... but truly after over 25 years, NO ONE has MASTERED any of the things that are beyond this world... but, that is the DRAWING CARD...

The Ranch Location is 24001 Highway 140 Eagle Point  Oregon 97524

The Ashram 12800 Dead Indian Memorial Highway Ashland Oregon

Yes your daughter loves it there, why, they spend many hours a day meditating and praying and from what I have heard over the past 5 years.... a lot of lesbian sex... and such.  I am blessed that I was never involved in those things there...

But the real story about these groups is the MONEY.... there are hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years.  And, the pier pressure is, if you do not attend the groups.... or leave.. you are labeled the DEviL or EVIL... belive me I know.... there is nothing like the rath of the Channell if she is displeased.

The amazing thing is that our govt tends to not get involved in Religious Organizations.... there is a hands off policy.

There is lots of verbal abuse, physical abuse, and slave labor.  They TALK about SELF MASTERY and LOVE.... but in truth, they play mind games and the WORDS spoken have NEVER been proven by any one.....  you do not DARE QUESTIONS or ASK A qUESTION about things there.

I have seen the distruction of many families to both the Ramtha.com Group and the Mafu Group.

They then to say, Mind Your own Business... if you speak up you are a trader of a fallen angel....

There is another group, The Ramtha Organization....  ramtha.com  with many similar problems.

You must realize your daughter is OF AGE... and self responsible for her own choice.... when I was there, my family tried to stop me too... l lost my first marriage because of it....  When you are in these groups, you only want to be left alone, and not bothered by the family.

It is only now after being away for about 3 or 4 years that I can honestly and evently evaluate my own personal experience there.

They are being RE BORN in a NEW FAMILY.  If you look on the internet, you will RARELY see anything about this one particular group.... yet, hundreds of people have left the group and will not speak up.... FEAR is a BIG Motivator.

I leftl ong ago, visted in 2001... but found it to be quite a differnet group.. mostly Lesbian Women of all ages... I simply did not fit in.

There are movie starts, well know singers; you would be suprised at the HOLLYWOOD NAMES who have been involved on the fringe of these groups over the years... although. they come and go... not living there, they do not know a lot of the REAL details of these groups. Steven Segal to name one.... 

The only thing I can say is, bury your daughter in your mind... let her go....  Even if you were able to get her out of there... the mental programming is so deep, she will only go back.

WHAT ARE THEY SELLING..... A BIG DREAM.... These groups are PROMISSING so many things.... and now after over 25 YEARS... NO ONE... ASCENDED LIKE JESUS..... or can CONSCIOUSLY PERFORM MIRACLES.... this is what they WAG THE DOG IN YOUR FACE ABOUT.... we were very stupid... the leader became a Hind Monk.... now Buddhist.... and they are selling Meditation Practices.

The teacher is a very loving person, and since the teacher is a CHANNEL... he leaves and takes NO RESPoNSIBILITY for the people there.... they BLAME US... for any LACK of MASTERY.

The truth is, if you were selling a Educational Degree... with NO ONE GRADUATING.... or ever getting out of school... then you are a fool.... 

The prices are cheaper now than they were in the late 80's.... and they have an ON LINE VIDEO COURSE...  http://www.foundationformeditativestudies.org/ 

I was with them BEFORE they purchase the Oregon properties.  Many peole sold their business and homes... to devote their whole life to the group... and then about 5 years about... many left.

It is a hopeless situation... there is truly nothing you can do.. because of FREE WILL.... and the age of the people there... and the Oregon Tiger Sancuary gives the group creditibility.  Grants and Tax money support it.

This web site has some information about these types of cults.

http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi

Here is a web site of another devotee perhaps you can make contact she is still involved.

http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi

Truly, I do not think there is anything you can do.... FOR ME, when the MONEY RAN OUT... temporarly I began to have a BIG WAKE UP CALL.... we were told, if we did not have the money to attend... we DID NOT want to be there anymore... so we best just move on.

I had thought about writing a book about it... but, I did not want to wast all my energy on it.

The truth was, I was able to be finiacially successfull long before I was with that group.....  it is one of those games..... BUY YOUR ILLUMINATION..... or BUY YOUR ASCENSION.... they tell you, we only appreciate WISDOM if we PAY FOR IT..... we were all spiritual hoars. 

So, ask me any questions, I will try to hep... but truly, I do not think you will ever see her come home... that is unless the MONEY RUNS OUT... or the NEXT SHAKE UP with the Residents.

Dear cthelite,

I am very sad to hear of your deep pain and loss of your daughter to the Mafu AKA Penny Torres Channeling Group.  I was with this group for over 15 years.... and I personally spend about $100,000.00 to stay in the many differnt Mastery Groups that met in the lat 80's through 1999.

I know it is very difficult to understand what this New Age Stuff is all about.... I can only speak about my own experiences there.

This group also is being funded by your TAX money in the form of GRANTS for the Oregon Tiger Sancuary at the Eagle Point Oregon Location... that is where the person who CHANNELS MAFU lives and has something like a SLAVE came of devotees working for the payment to get to attend the events that are channelled for free.

Frist i will tell you, that most of the people there... just like my self... in the beginning are DRAWN because of very low-self esteem... the GURU... TEACHER or CHANNEL becomes the parent that you never had... the one who BELIEVES in your other worldly higher ideas.  In the beginning for years... you have the carrott of becoming a SUPER HERO.... or SUPER BEING.... but truly after over 25 years, NO ONE has MASTERED any of the things that are beyond this world... but, that is the DRAWING CARD...

The Ranch Location is 24001 Highway 140 Eagle Point  Oregon 97524

The Ashram 12800 Dead Indian Memorial Highway Ashland Oregon

Yes your daughter loves it there, why, they spend many hours a day meditating and praying and from what I have heard over the past 5 years.... a lot of lesbian sex... and such.  I am blessed that I was never involved in those things there...

But the real story about these groups is the MONEY.... there are hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years.  And, the pier pressure is, if you do not attend the groups.... or leave.. you are labeled the DEviL or EVIL... belive me I know.... there is nothing like the rath of the Channell if she is displeased.

The amazing thing is that our govt tends to not get involved in Religious Organizations.... there is a hands off policy.

There is lots of verbal abuse, physical abuse, and slave labor.  They TALK about SELF MASTERY and LOVE.... but in truth, they play mind games and the WORDS spoken have NEVER been proven by any one.....  you do not DARE QUESTIONS or ASK A qUESTION about things there.

I have seen the distruction of many families to both the Ramtha.com Group and the Mafu Group.

They then to say, Mind Your own Business... if you speak up you are a trader of a fallen angel....

There is another group, The Ramtha Organization....  ramtha.com  with many similar problems.

You must realize your daughter is OF AGE... and self responsible for her own choice.... when I was there, my family tried to stop me too... l lost my first marriage because of it....  When you are in these groups, you only want to be left alone, and not bothered by the family.

It is only now after being away for about 3 or 4 years that I can honestly and evently evaluate my own personal experience there.

They are being RE BORN in a NEW FAMILY.  If you look on the internet, you will RARELY see anything about this one particular group.... yet, hundreds of people have left the group and will not speak up.... FEAR is a BIG Motivator.

I leftl ong ago, visted in 2001... but found it to be quite a differnet group.. mostly Lesbian Women of all ages... I simply did not fit in.

There are movie starts, well know singers; you would be suprised at the HOLLYWOOD NAMES who have been involved on the fringe of these groups over the years... although. they come and go... not living there, they do not know a lot of the REAL details of these groups. Steven Segal to name one.... 

The only thing I can say is, bury your daughter in your mind... let her go....  Even if you were able to get her out of there... the mental programming is so deep, she will only go back.

WHAT ARE THEY SELLING..... A BIG DREAM.... These groups are PROMISSING so many things.... and now after over 25 YEARS... NO ONE... ASCENDED LIKE JESUS..... or can CONSCIOUSLY PERFORM MIRACLES.... this is what they WAG THE DOG IN YOUR FACE ABOUT.... we were very stupid... the leader became a Hind Monk.... now Buddhist.... and they are selling Meditation Practices.

The teacher is a very loving person, and since the teacher is a CHANNEL... he leaves and takes NO RESPoNSIBILITY for the people there.... they BLAME US... for any LACK of MASTERY.

The truth is, if you were selling a Educational Degree... with NO ONE GRADUATING.... or ever getting out of school... then you are a fool.... 

The prices are cheaper now than they were in the late 80's.... and they have an ON LINE VIDEO COURSE...  http://www.foundationformeditativestudies.org/ 

I was with them BEFORE they purchase the Oregon properties.  Many peole sold their business and homes... to devote their whole life to the group... and then about 5 years about... many left.

It is a hopeless situation... there is truly nothing you can do.. because of FREE WILL.... and the age of the people there... and the Oregon Tiger Sancuary gives the group creditibility.  Grants and Tax money support it.

This web site has some information about these types of cults.

http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi

Here is a web site of another devotee perhaps you can make contact she is still involved.

http://www.factnet.org/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi

Truly, I do not think there is anything you can do.... FOR ME, when the MONEY RAN OUT... temporarly I began to have a BIG WAKE UP CALL.... we were told, if we did not have the money to attend... we DID NOT want to be there anymore... so we best just move on.

I had thought about writing a book about it... but, I did not want to wast all my energy on it.

The truth was, I was able to be finiacially successfull long before I was with that group.....  it is one of those games..... BUY YOUR ILLUMINATION..... or BUY YOUR ASCENSION.... they tell you, we only appreciate WISDOM if we PAY FOR IT..... we were all spiritual hoars. 

So, ask me any questions, I will try to hep... but truly, I do not think you will ever see her come home... that is unless the MONEY RUNS OUT... or the NEXT SHAKE UP with the Residents.