Replies to '10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act'

How am I trying to do God's job? The passage you are referring to states " 1 Cor 5:11-13 But now I have written to you to not keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside?  Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges.  Therefore, "put away from yourselves the evil person. 

Yes, He will deal with the unbeliever I realize that.  What I wanted to convey to anyone that read my message was that the "world" wants to call sin something else than sin.  For example, people will call a person who drinks excessively an alcoholic and refer to their condition as a disease.  The disease that we all have is called sin and people try to rationalize their sin and give their sin other names.  The point I wanted to make is---let's call sin what it is-- sin, let's not package it any other form.  Debra LaFave sinned against that boy, most likely to have committed such a sin as that and to have the comments that she had about the sin makes me think that she is an unbeliever.  I am not judging her I am pointing out what she did and calling it what it is---sin.  If I was judging her I would be saying things like, she is a rotten so and so and should be locked away forever, but I am not saying that I am saying she sinned and wanting people to know how God views our sin.  That is why I prayed for her and her salvation.  Now if she is a believer than you know that she is in a worse condition than if she was an unbeliever and still I would pray for her.  I don't know the condition of her heart, only God does. 

I am not wasting my breath, in God's eyes nothing is wasted, He uses everything to bring others to Him.  I know... I used to be one of those who was against Him, as you might have been also.  And yes, God does answer prayers of those who don't know Him.  When I was not a Christian, a believer, God did answer my prayers.  The only problem was that I didn't know I was praying to Jesus nor did I acknowledge that He was the one answering my prayers.  It wasn't until I came to know Jesus that He showed me that He had indeed been the one answering my prayers. 

Are you saying that I have to a believer before God will answer my prayer or are you saying that the person I am praying for has to be a believer?  If you are saying this then why would we ever pray for anyone that is not a believer? 

Please elaborate on your point beginning with "Be very careful on this point....are pure but so was Job's?  The last thing Job did was pray for his sons because they might have sinned has nothing to do with Job being judgmental, He is simply covering his sons in prayer like any good parent does.  God didn't take everything away from Job, He allowed Satan to take it away.  There is a difference.  If God had taken everything from Job it would have been because Job was not right with God, but God allowed Satan to sift him like wheat and take everything from Job to show Satan that Job did love God, not for what God provided but just because he loved Him.  In the process of all that happened to Job, he was judged by his closest friends, even his own wife told him to curse God and die, but Job never did do that. Yes Job questioned God and wanted to know why God was doing this to him and Job learned much about God's character through this trial, but at no time was God punishing Job for  "possibly" judging his son's who might have been unbelievers.

I know it is not my place to judge her, I am calling attention to what she did and calling it what God calls it and that is sin, that is simply what my point is.  To an unbeliever anything you say about sin is considered judging, why you don't even have to mention sin, all you have to mention is the name of Jesus in your conversation and they think you are judgmental. 

Are you asking me if I am an unbeliever? or are you talking to audience in general who may read your quote?  I myself am a believer.   

I enjoyed reading your quote and thank you for taking the time to respond with your views.  May we sharpen each other as iron sharpens iron. 

How am I trying to do God's job? The passage you are referring to states " 1 Cor 5:11-13 But now I have written to you to not keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside?  Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges.  Therefore, "put away from yourselves the evil person. 

Yes, He will deal with the unbeliever I realize that.  What I wanted to convey to anyone that read my message was that the "world" wants to call sin something else than sin.  For example, people will call a person who drinks excessively an alcoholic and refer to their condition as a disease.  The disease that we all have is called sin and people try to rationalize their sin and give their sin other names.  The point I wanted to make is---let's call sin what it is-- sin, let's not package it any other form.  Debra LaFave sinned against that boy, most likely to have committed such a sin as that and to have the comments that she had about the sin makes me think that she is an unbeliever.  I am not judging her I am pointing out what she did and calling it what it is---sin.  If I was judging her I would be saying things like, she is a rotten so and so and should be locked away forever, but I am not saying that I am saying she sinned and wanting people to know how God views our sin.  That is why I prayed for her and her salvation.  Now if she is a believer than you know that she is in a worse condition than if she was an unbeliever and still I would pray for her.  I don't know the condition of her heart, only God does. 

I am not wasting my breath, in God's eyes nothing is wasted, He uses everything to bring others to Him.  I know... I used to be one of those who was against Him, as you might have been also.  And yes, God does answer prayers of those who don't know Him.  When I was not a Christian, a believer, God did answer my prayers.  The only problem was that I didn't know I was praying to Jesus nor did I acknowledge that He was the one answering my prayers.  It wasn't until I came to know Jesus that He showed me that He had indeed been the one answering my prayers. 

Are you saying that I have to a believer before God will answer my prayer or are you saying that the person I am praying for has to be a believer?  If you are saying this then why would we ever pray for anyone that is not a believer? 

Please elaborate on your point beginning with "Be very careful on this point....are pure but so was Job's?  The last thing Job did was pray for his sons because they might have sinned has nothing to do with Job being judgmental, He is simply covering his sons in prayer like any good parent does.  God didn't take everything away from Job, He allowed Satan to take it away.  There is a difference.  If God had taken everything from Job it would have been because Job was not right with God, but God allowed Satan to sift him like wheat and take everything from Job to show Satan that Job did love God, not for what God provided but just because he loved Him.  In the process of all that happened to Job, he was judged by his closest friends, even his own wife told him to curse God and die, but Job never did do that. Yes Job questioned God and wanted to know why God was doing this to him and Job learned much about God's character through this trial, but at no time was God punishing Job for  "possibly" judging his son's who might have been unbelievers.

I know it is not my place to judge her, I am calling attention to what she did and calling it what God calls it and that is sin, that is simply what my point is.  To an unbeliever anything you say about sin is considered judging, why you don't even have to mention sin, all you have to mention is the name of Jesus in your conversation and they think you are judgmental. 

Are you asking me if I am an unbeliever? or are you talking to audience in general who may read your quote?  I myself am a believer.   

I enjoyed reading your quote and thank you for taking the time to respond with your views.  May we sharpen each other as iron sharpens iron.