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November 20, 2006, 7:45 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: unschoolingmom

 

It makes me a bit sad when people have so little faith in their children's intrinsic abilities and desire to learn. Why would children not be interested in the world about them? Why would they not want to read good stories, or think philosophically, or not be interested in the historical events that went before them? I can't imagine my kids not engaging in these things.

 

U.S. History is simply the events that shaped our nation. My kids are definitely interested in that. They are also interested in current events, which leads to a lot of world history as well. They've traveled to different countries, and visited historical sites in those countries and read about them (and many others). They also know people from different parts of the world, and have learned lots of history and current culture from talking with them. Geometry and Algebra are all around us in the world, and not everyone wants or needs to know Trig and Calculus. But if my kids were interested in a field where advanced mathematics were a necessity, I'm sure they'd learn them. Unschooled kids aren't averse to even cracking a textbook or a workbook if it's something that interests them. Both of my kids thought that the standardized test booklets I bought for practice (they're required by law to test every other year) were a hoot, and kept begging to do more "bubble tests", which kind of made me laugh, because I can't imagine asking to do more tests when I was a schoolkid.

 

Becoming a doctor or becoming a lawyer are both professions that unschoolers can and have achieved. Unschooling simply means autodidactic, or self-taught learning. If a kid wants to get into law school, they just find out what they need to know for law school and go to town learning it.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

"Some universities consider unschoolers to be an asset because they tend to love learning, be self-motivated, and know what they want to get out of their college experience. According to Johnathan Reider, an admissions officer at Stanford university, "The distinguishing factor is intellectual vitality. These kids have it, and everything they do is responding to it."

 

As for the SATs, plenty of unschoolers who wanted to take them to get into a 4 year university have done just fine on them. They're not all that horrifying. Myself, I left highschool in my junior year and took the SATs early. I hadn't had a lot of the material in classes because I didn't take those last terms of high school, so I simply bought a SAT prep book and did just fine. I'm sure my kids can do the same if and when they want to.

 

Mostly, I have faith in my kids that they can and will learn everything they need to know, when they need or want to know it. That is the essence of unschooling for me.

First, I would like to ask you how old your children are.

 

I have absolute FAITH in my kids ability to intrinsically learn...however, they are afterall KIDS.  And normal ones at that.  Sometimes...I need to nudge them to do what they need to...truly...given the choice...my son would watch football all day...and my daughter would spend her entire time on a beam.

 

Neither of these would pay the bills for their future famlies...REALLY.

 

If unschooling works for you and yours...that's GREAT...I never heard of it before prior to these boards...I, personally, am not qualified to teach my children certain advanced subjects (my son is currently taking anthropology, criminal justice and other classes...my daughter is taking psychology and trig among others...I've taken trig...and passed with flying colors...doesn't mean I can teach it.)

 

But for me and mine...nupe...no can do...and my kids are the sort that need a nudge...otherwise they would go for instant gratification...and that which wouldn't necessarily teach them anything...but rather...that which makes them feel good.

 

I think that's great that your kids are so motivated to learn...if it works for you...then AWESOME!

 

And...if you want a copy and paste Wikiepedia battle...I could do that too:

 

Some common arguments against unschooling are given below.

  • Some children lack the foresight to learn the things they will need to know in their adult lives.
  • There may be gaps in a child's education unless an educational professional controls what material is covered.
  • Because schools provide a ready-made source of peers, it may be more difficult for children who are not in school to make friends and develop social skills than it is for their schooled peers.
  • Children have a vast capacity for learning new things, so it is the responsibility of adults to ensure that they learn a number of essential things, as it could be more difficult to learn those things as an adult (what these essential things are varies from critic to critic).
  • Some children are not motivated to learn anything, and will spend all of their time in un-educational endeavors if not coerced into doing otherwise.
  • Not all parents may be able to provide the stimulating environment or have the skills and patience required to encourage the student's curiousity.
  • Because they often lack a diploma from an accredited school, it may be more difficult for unschooled students to get into college or get a job.
  • If they are not made to do arbitrary and tedious schoolwork, children might not learn how to do difficult, uninteresting, and unpleasant work.
 


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