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November 21, 2006, 9:07 am PST
 Quote From: randomaccess Going back to an earlier post, November 18, 2006, 3:43 pm PST, we find this debate:
"I will agree that homeschooling is not for everyone, it is only for people who truly care about the education their child receives." (princess1)
for which there was this reply:
"So parents who don't home school don't care about the education of their children. Wow! As a former school administrator... [... I have a Masters in education, and I have no plans to home school my two children. I take great offense at you insinuating that I don't truly care about my children's education." (julie1418)
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In our home school, we studied Venn diagrams at the fourth/fifth grade level. Venn diagrams are sets of circles which represent logical or mathematical relationships. In the debate above, a large circle would represent people who truly care about the education their child receives. Another smaller circle positioned mostly within the large circle would represent home educators. There would still be a significant area inside the large circle but outside the smaller circle that would correspond to parents who care about their child's education but have opted for a different school choice. This is the position described by princess1.
In this Venn diagram, all parents who care are in the large circle. All home schooling parents are in the small circle. The sliver of yellow where the small circle lies outside the large circle would represent the miniscule minority of parents who have filed the paperwork to home school but haven't cared to try beyond that.
Why would a former school administrator not be able to understand a logical concept at a 10 year-old's level? Why would she jump to the conclusion that she was thrown outside the loop of the large circle and become greatly offended? princess1 was merely agreeing that parents in the yellow area should not be home schooling.
I have an idea for one of Dr. Phil's show topics; how about: What Are Those Teacher's Colleges Really Teaching?
Clever diagram. Perhaps some research on IMPLIED meaning might be useful, especially within the context of a debate. I agree that her statement could be taken a number of ways. The onus of responsibility is on the WRITER to make meaning clear.
I have long buried this conversation with the poster. I have to wonder how long you have been stewing on this. Does it give you some satisfaction to have an opportunity to hurl personal attacks on a professional educator? |
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November 21, 2006, 9:57 am PST
Quote From: randomaccess Going back to an earlier post, November 18, 2006, 3:43 pm PST, we find this debate:
"I will agree that homeschooling is not for everyone, it is only for people who truly care about the education their child receives." (princess1)
for which there was this reply:
"So parents who don't home school don't care about the education of their children. Wow! As a former school administrator... [... I have a Masters in education, and I have no plans to home school my two children. I take great offense at you insinuating that I don't truly care about my children's education." (julie1418)
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In our home school, we studied Venn diagrams at the fourth/fifth grade level. Venn diagrams are sets of circles which represent logical or mathematical relationships. In the debate above, a large circle would represent people who truly care about the education their child receives. Another smaller circle positioned mostly within the large circle would represent home educators. There would still be a significant area inside the large circle but outside the smaller circle that would correspond to parents who care about their child's education but have opted for a different school choice. This is the position described by princess1.
In this Venn diagram, all parents who care are in the large circle. All home schooling parents are in the small circle. The sliver of yellow where the small circle lies outside the large circle would represent the miniscule minority of parents who have filed the paperwork to home school but haven't cared to try beyond that.
Why would a former school administrator not be able to understand a logical concept at a 10 year-old's level? Why would she jump to the conclusion that she was thrown outside the loop of the large circle and become greatly offended? princess1 was merely agreeing that parents in the yellow area should not be home schooling.
I have an idea for one of Dr. Phil's show topics; how about: What Are Those Teacher's Colleges Really Teaching?
You do know that can't just make a Venn Diagram with out some kind of real numbers, studies or research to back it up. Just cause it's a Venn Diagram doesn't mean it's TRUE! LOL |
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November 21, 2006, 9:58 am PST
Quote From: randomaccess Going back to an earlier post, November 18, 2006, 3:43 pm PST, we find this debate:
"I will agree that homeschooling is not for everyone, it is only for people who truly care about the education their child receives." (princess1)
for which there was this reply:
"So parents who don't home school don't care about the education of their children. Wow! As a former school administrator... [... I have a Masters in education, and I have no plans to home school my two children. I take great offense at you insinuating that I don't truly care about my children's education." (julie1418)
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In our home school, we studied Venn diagrams at the fourth/fifth grade level. Venn diagrams are sets of circles which represent logical or mathematical relationships. In the debate above, a large circle would represent people who truly care about the education their child receives. Another smaller circle positioned mostly within the large circle would represent home educators. There would still be a significant area inside the large circle but outside the smaller circle that would correspond to parents who care about their child's education but have opted for a different school choice. This is the position described by princess1.
In this Venn diagram, all parents who care are in the large circle. All home schooling parents are in the small circle. The sliver of yellow where the small circle lies outside the large circle would represent the miniscule minority of parents who have filed the paperwork to home school but haven't cared to try beyond that.
Why would a former school administrator not be able to understand a logical concept at a 10 year-old's level? Why would she jump to the conclusion that she was thrown outside the loop of the large circle and become greatly offended? princess1 was merely agreeing that parents in the yellow area should not be home schooling.
I have an idea for one of Dr. Phil's show topics; how about: What Are Those Teacher's Colleges Really Teaching?
Please do some research on implied meaning. I really do not wish to enter a debate with princess as I feel we are trying to debate civilly. I will explain the problem with her statement for you since you went to all the trouble of making a diagram for me.
Here is the original quote:
"I will agree that homeschooling is not for everyone, it is only for people who truly care about the education their child receives." (princess1
While I agree that your interpretation, and most likely the poster's intent, was that uncaring parents should NOT homeschool, there are MANY meanings that can be inferred.
Parents who don't homeschool don't truly care. All parents who care should homeschool. Being a caring parent is the primary factor in one's ability to homeschool.
ETC.
When writing or speaking, especially in a debate on a VERY sensitive topic, the onus is on the WRITER to make sure he/she has chosen the exact words to best make the intended meaning clear. This is why politicians get into so much trouble. They make loaded statements without considering all the possible meanings or implications of their words.
In retrospect, Princess probably was not intending to offend. I would imagine in her zeal to make her case, she probably just didn't choose the best words. Had she written, Parents who do not truly care about their children's education should NOT homeschool, I would have replied "BRAVO!"
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