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November 22, 2006, 8:13 am PST

11/24 Great School Debate

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I find it amazing how people... how parents in far away countries literally work to educate their children so they can do better while here people fight to "unschool" their children. I think "unschooling" is nothing less than neglect WRT education. IMO it stems from control issues & convenient excuses for what amounts to laziness. It's selfish to deny a child the ability to survive in this society while existing in it.

 

"If the child chooses to go to school they can"??? Seriously, is it rational to think a young, inexperienced child could make such a decision with full knowledge of the ramifications it would bring either way? Knowing that their parent or parents do not approve of such things (going to school)?

 

It's just as wrong to leave too many decisions up to a child as it is to take too many away from them.

 

Also, I understand the notion of "unschooling" WRT removing the "institutionalization" from education, to allow freedom & ability to learn without restrictions. I understand the concept of learning through experiences. But that can be achieved through practical, common sense efforts while homeschooling with an educated educator & schooling in the classroom. No one truly knows another's level of knowledge without testing it through actual graded tests. Experience is not always the best teacher either.

I think "unschooling" is nothing less than neglect WRT education. IMO it stems from control issues & convenient excuses for what amounts to laziness. It's selfish to deny a child the ability to survive in this society while existing in it.

 

I think you should educate yourself with regards to unschooling before hitting your keyboard and exposing your ignorance.

 

While hard to fully grasp the first time you hear about it, at least most of the other posters on this board have asked intelligent (if not common) questions about unschooling.

 

Unschooling isn't some fad form of homeschooling that lazy people do.  We don't just park our kids in front of the tube and hope they learn by osmosis.  I'd like to think that any intelligent adult would ask themselves, before spouting off, why so many college-educated parents choose unschooling for their children?  Do you really feel that I, as a self-employed adult and with a graduate's degree (doctorate) would deny my children an education or deny them learning opportunities?

 

A paradigm shift is in necessary in order to fully understand it.  We're not just a bunch of loons.  Most of the moms I know are college grads, and some have teaching certificates.  Some have been former teachers, though that doesn't qualify them more than those who aren't teachers.  

 

Don't believe everything you think.

 

 
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November 22, 2006, 8:19 am PST

11/24 Great School Debate

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I find it amazing how people... how parents in far away countries literally work to educate their children so they can do better while here people fight to "unschool" their children. I think "unschooling" is nothing less than neglect WRT education. IMO it stems from control issues & convenient excuses for what amounts to laziness. It's selfish to deny a child the ability to survive in this society while existing in it.

 

"If the child chooses to go to school they can"??? Seriously, is it rational to think a young, inexperienced child could make such a decision with full knowledge of the ramifications it would bring either way? Knowing that their parent or parents do not approve of such things (going to school)?

 

It's just as wrong to leave too many decisions up to a child as it is to take too many away from them.

 

Also, I understand the notion of "unschooling" WRT removing the "institutionalization" from education, to allow freedom & ability to learn without restrictions. I understand the concept of learning through experiences. But that can be achieved through practical, common sense efforts while homeschooling with an educated educator & schooling in the classroom. No one truly knows another's level of knowledge without testing it through actual graded tests. Experience is not always the best teacher either.

It's just as wrong to leave too many decisions up to a child as it is to take too many away from them.

 

Then you haven't met kids who have made their own decisions from the beginning, with their parents as facilitators, giving them the information they need to make their own decisions.  How else will kids learn to make good decisions if their parents constantly make decisions for them, or nudge them to the 'right' (ie parental approved) decision?

 

My son, at age 7, chose to attend a sleepaway camp 6 hours from home, and he'd never slept away from home without his family or relative before.  Should I have said no? Denied him the opportunity until he was older?  It was a specialty camp and none exist in my state.  He went, we camped nearby in case he needed us, gave him a cell phone (he only called us once).  He did great.

 

 

 


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