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November 28, 2006, 3:00 pm PST

They are not coaching her

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Krista and her mother are coaching Kaylee to say the things she does. If Krista truly believed "100 %" that Jeremy was molesting her then she wouldn't want him to get visitation. She said on today's show that she didn't want to stop his visitations but only wanted them supervised. If that was my child and I was 100% sure she was being molested by her father I wouldn't want him anywhere near her. Why is it that NO ONE in her town, including those to serve and protect aren't helping her; what is it that they know about Krista and her mother that we don't? Something on her side is just NOT right. People are innocent until proven guilty. In order to prove someone guilty there has to be evidence, not just words; the court will not waste their time or taxpayers money to pursue something that the mother is trying to make a fact to make the father look bad and hurt him.
How do you explain the little girl clinging onto her mother, so that she did not have to go with him. That is not acting. Did you hear her cry? That doesn't sit at the bottom of your stomach? What kind of a person does this to a child...and what kind of person defends these people?
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:03 pm PST

11/28 Jeremy Returns

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Krista and her mother are coaching Kaylee to say the things she does. If Krista truly believed "100 %" that Jeremy was molesting her then she wouldn't want him to get visitation. She said on today's show that she didn't want to stop his visitations but only wanted them supervised. If that was my child and I was 100% sure she was being molested by her father I wouldn't want him anywhere near her. Why is it that NO ONE in her town, including those to serve and protect aren't helping her; what is it that they know about Krista and her mother that we don't? Something on her side is just NOT right. People are innocent until proven guilty. In order to prove someone guilty there has to be evidence, not just words; the court will not waste their time or taxpayers money to pursue something that the mother is trying to make a fact to make the father look bad and hurt him.

I dont care no court system is always right.  They can look at what's in front of them but don't see the humans in life situations.

 
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November 28, 2006, 3:07 pm PST

Serious?

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Krista and her mother are coaching Kaylee to say the things she does. If Krista truly believed "100 %" that Jeremy was molesting her then she wouldn't want him to get visitation. She said on today's show that she didn't want to stop his visitations but only wanted them supervised. If that was my child and I was 100% sure she was being molested by her father I wouldn't want him anywhere near her. Why is it that NO ONE in her town, including those to serve and protect aren't helping her; what is it that they know about Krista and her mother that we don't? Something on her side is just NOT right. People are innocent until proven guilty. In order to prove someone guilty there has to be evidence, not just words; the court will not waste their time or taxpayers money to pursue something that the mother is trying to make a fact to make the father look bad and hurt him.
Are you kidding me. I dont understand why krista wants keep letting him see her, but the evidence some times there is no evidence and I cant believe the words that you just typed. Something is going on with this little girl and you seem to have no compassion what so ever. Sometimes when a child is molested there is no evidence you just have to take there word for it and do everything that you can krista and the grandmother passed the lie detector test he didnt. Did you turn a blind eye to that fact. Look at him he is using that poor little girl. If he wasnt doing it he would stand up and say he I am not doing it but i will find out who is and make sure the sob doent do it again. Not making up excuses for himself and getting defensive about the allegations. It sickens me to think that there are people out there who believe there has to be hard evidece to prove molestation.... YUK!!!!
 
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November 28, 2006, 3:55 pm PST

Not innocent - PRESUMED innocent

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Krista and her mother are coaching Kaylee to say the things she does. If Krista truly believed "100 %" that Jeremy was molesting her then she wouldn't want him to get visitation. She said on today's show that she didn't want to stop his visitations but only wanted them supervised. If that was my child and I was 100% sure she was being molested by her father I wouldn't want him anywhere near her. Why is it that NO ONE in her town, including those to serve and protect aren't helping her; what is it that they know about Krista and her mother that we don't? Something on her side is just NOT right. People are innocent until proven guilty. In order to prove someone guilty there has to be evidence, not just words; the court will not waste their time or taxpayers money to pursue something that the mother is trying to make a fact to make the father look bad and hurt him.

It is not actually true that people are innocent until proven guilty - in reality they've either done something wrong and are guilty or they have not done anything wrong and are innocent.  Our law says they are "presumed innocent" under the law until conviced of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers.  This is why Jeremy is not in jail right now although thousands (perhaps millions) of people are convinced that he abused his daughter.   The presumption of innocence does not actually make him innocent if he has, indeed, abused his daughter, and having thousands of people believe him guilty does not make him guilty if he has not.

 

As for the evidence, there is plenty - Kaylee's claims to her family and psychologist, observations of her mother (diaper changing incident, tongue in the mouth incident), a few physical indications, Jeremy's failure of 2 polygraph tests (yes, it seems clear he failed the second one, too) & lack of cooperation with the hypnotist, Jeremy's non-verbals on the Dr. Phil show that give every indication that the is lying.  Whether all this evidence is admissible in court is another matter entirely.  Polygraphs, for example, are not admissible because they are not 100% accurate, although a trained examiner, with 20 years of experience of testing those accused of sexual abuse insists he has absolutely no doubt that Jeremy has indeed abused Kaylee. 

 

With that said, evidence can, indeed, be words (although those words must be delivered to the court personally by the one who said them, not quoted to the court by someone else, as happened in the previous court hearing).  If we relyed only on physical evidence in sexual abuse cases, the vast majority of abusers would go free because many forms of sexual abuse do not result in physical trauma - only devastating emotional wounds. 

 

Certainly there are cases where people are wrongly accused of abuse.  It is rare, though not unheard of, for young children to falsely accuse because they generally do not have the knowledge to do so.  But do not be quick to assume that this is a case of a false accusation.  With 92% accuracy, the polygraph indicated that Bonni (grandma) is not coaching Kaylee, and Krista has coached her based on the genuine belief that Kaylee really was abused.  It is probable, then,  that the coaching followed Kaylee's accusations and emotional upheaval, rather than preceeding it.  That means that Kaylee's "pee pee" really was touched by someone.  Whether it was Jeremy, only he and Kaylee know for 100% certain. 

 
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November 28, 2006, 4:10 pm PST

This is unfortunate, but he has rights

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Krista and her mother are coaching Kaylee to say the things she does. If Krista truly believed "100 %" that Jeremy was molesting her then she wouldn't want him to get visitation. She said on today's show that she didn't want to stop his visitations but only wanted them supervised. If that was my child and I was 100% sure she was being molested by her father I wouldn't want him anywhere near her. Why is it that NO ONE in her town, including those to serve and protect aren't helping her; what is it that they know about Krista and her mother that we don't? Something on her side is just NOT right. People are innocent until proven guilty. In order to prove someone guilty there has to be evidence, not just words; the court will not waste their time or taxpayers money to pursue something that the mother is trying to make a fact to make the father look bad and hurt him.
I must reply to this quote.  Yes, it was proven that Krista and her mother have coached Kaylee to some degree, but you're forgetting the big picture........regardless of whether the lie detector tests are admissible or not, Krista (other than the coaching thing) passed her test, and Jeremy failed.  And the fact that Krista and Bonii were "coaching" her, was only to get the proper information out of her as to what happened to her so they could do something about it to protect this child from being abused any longer.  But with the way the results were with the lie detector tests, it's clear to see that something's goin on when Kaylee's in Jeremy's care that shouldn't be.

As for taking visitations away, Krista has the same opinion I do.....and that's that she wants Kaylee to have her father in her life.  I'm dealing with the same situation with my son and his father right now.  Only my son's father hasn't molested my son, and I thank God for that every day.  Unfortunately, as a father Jeremy has the right to visit Kaylee, whether Krista likes it or not.......and my attorney told me that today (about my situation, that is).  The only way she can stop it is if he would ever "sign on the dotted line" and give Kaylee up for good.  It's obvious that it's easier said than done, because he doesn't wanna give her up.

My attorney also told me that in order to stress the abuse accusation as a means to have the visitations supervised (at least), you need witnesses or some sort of physical proof that it happened.  Obviously, from what Krista's lawyer said, it is heresay, and the judges won't listen to it.

I wish Krista, Kaylee, and Bonii all the luck in the world, and hope that the courts see that there's something wrong and recommend supervised visits for this child.  Jeremy needs to grow up and be a FATHER, not an ABUSER.  And he can deny it all he wants, but the lie detector tests say it all.
 


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