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December 13, 2006, 2:27 pm PST

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Here's a hearty pat on the back from one Christmas non-enthusiast to another.  I get the same reaction, except for the "not old enough to appreciate the season," since I'm pushing 50.

 

draya001's Top Ten Reasons Why I Hate Christmas

 

10.  I hate Christmas because it is the first big lie parents tell their children.  I know, I know; it's all supposed to be for fun, but I think teaching a child that fantasy is real is detrimental to their mental development and their trust in their parents. 

 

9.  I hate Christmas because if you're not with the Christmas Crowd they will definitely make sure you're against them.

 

8.  I hate Christmas because it has taken an honest (however much misguided, in my opinion) sentiment and turned it into a three month long commercial.

 

7.  I hate Christmas because Salvation Army beggars wielding bells like weapons make entering any and every store a torment.  When I was a kid, they used to sing carols and play music, which was not annoying and rather pleasant.  Now they hire derelicts who throw sarcasm, curses and spit, just because I quietly passed them by.  The Salvation Army is a charitable organization, and they do good things.  If their kettle contributions are pretty thin, they ought to consider why.

 

6.  I hate Christmas because by the time everyone has worn themselves out jumping through all the obligatory hoops, no one can enjoy it.

 

5.  I hate Christmas because every year the most beautiful 70-foot Norway Spruce in the world gets killed and stuck up to dry and rot in Rockefeller Plaza, along with millions of its lesser cousins throughout the world.

 

4.  I hate the waste of paper and foil.  I hate the mess and the noise.

 

3.  I hate greedy kids who are (in about 30 minutes) completely uninterested in whatever toy they've been screaming about for the last six months.

 

2.  I hate the inevitable family fights.

 

1.  And finally, I hate Christmas because of all the Christians who whine and complain that it isn't about Jesus' birth any more, and who don't have the wit or initiative to read The Bible carefully enough to know that if Jesus ben Joseph did exist, he surely wasn't born in December; or read a history book with enough diligence to realize that what we now know as Christmas was once a pagan holiday called Saturnalia that early Northern European Christians co-opted to increase their numbers.  They tended to have a lot of backsliders around Saturnalia and they wanted to snag them back with another celebration a few days later.  If Jesus did exist, he was a Jew who maintained that he was a man like any other man; he celebrated the rituals any young Rabbi would; and the only time his birthday was anything much special was his Bar Mitzvah.  Jesus was a teacher with a message, and although I'm not a Christian (or even a Jew) I think he would be disturbed to find what we've made of his message.  He repeatedly cautioned us not to think of him as a god, because he wanted us to know that we are all God's children, and all humans can attain grace -- a very good message no matter what its source.  If you're going to be a Christian, do it right and quit whining about it.

 

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 Whoa, girlfriend! What a concise and well-composed post. I agree with you on many points, even though I personally don't hate Christmas. I actually rather enjoy it--to a certain extent, minus the icky commercialism.

Your item 1 is duly noted. I get the impression from reading various posts on this board that a big chunk of Dr. Phil viewers are Christians.

Please, Christians out there reading this, do not take too much offense to the lady's point 1. But she is right that Christians have co-opted a pagan ritual as their own, so you can't lay claim on this holiday and proclaim while looking down on us "others" that "Jesus is the reason for the season." If anything, Easter seems like it has much more relevance and importance to Christianity, since that event is a celebration of his suffering, sacrifice, and resurrection--if you are a Christian and believe in that, of course.


 
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December 13, 2006, 2:31 pm PST

12/13 Holiday Horror Stories

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Here's a hearty pat on the back from one Christmas non-enthusiast to another.  I get the same reaction, except for the "not old enough to appreciate the season," since I'm pushing 50.

 

draya001's Top Ten Reasons Why I Hate Christmas

 

10.  I hate Christmas because it is the first big lie parents tell their children.  I know, I know; it's all supposed to be for fun, but I think teaching a child that fantasy is real is detrimental to their mental development and their trust in their parents. 

 

9.  I hate Christmas because if you're not with the Christmas Crowd they will definitely make sure you're against them.

 

8.  I hate Christmas because it has taken an honest (however much misguided, in my opinion) sentiment and turned it into a three month long commercial.

 

7.  I hate Christmas because Salvation Army beggars wielding bells like weapons make entering any and every store a torment.  When I was a kid, they used to sing carols and play music, which was not annoying and rather pleasant.  Now they hire derelicts who throw sarcasm, curses and spit, just because I quietly passed them by.  The Salvation Army is a charitable organization, and they do good things.  If their kettle contributions are pretty thin, they ought to consider why.

 

6.  I hate Christmas because by the time everyone has worn themselves out jumping through all the obligatory hoops, no one can enjoy it.

 

5.  I hate Christmas because every year the most beautiful 70-foot Norway Spruce in the world gets killed and stuck up to dry and rot in Rockefeller Plaza, along with millions of its lesser cousins throughout the world.

 

4.  I hate the waste of paper and foil.  I hate the mess and the noise.

 

3.  I hate greedy kids who are (in about 30 minutes) completely uninterested in whatever toy they've been screaming about for the last six months.

 

2.  I hate the inevitable family fights.

 

1.  And finally, I hate Christmas because of all the Christians who whine and complain that it isn't about Jesus' birth any more, and who don't have the wit or initiative to read The Bible carefully enough to know that if Jesus ben Joseph did exist, he surely wasn't born in December; or read a history book with enough diligence to realize that what we now know as Christmas was once a pagan holiday called Saturnalia that early Northern European Christians co-opted to increase their numbers.  They tended to have a lot of backsliders around Saturnalia and they wanted to snag them back with another celebration a few days later.  If Jesus did exist, he was a Jew who maintained that he was a man like any other man; he celebrated the rituals any young Rabbi would; and the only time his birthday was anything much special was his Bar Mitzvah.  Jesus was a teacher with a message, and although I'm not a Christian (or even a Jew) I think he would be disturbed to find what we've made of his message.  He repeatedly cautioned us not to think of him as a god, because he wanted us to know that we are all God's children, and all humans can attain grace -- a very good message no matter what its source.  If you're going to be a Christian, do it right and quit whining about it.

 

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a lie? not to my child he knows jusus died for him----if your not with my crowd its becouse we dont know each other, not becouse im against you-----if you dont like shopping stay home as i do then a 3 month commercial wont really matter------- you should get down on your knees and thank god you have never needed the salvation armys help, they were a god send to me in my time of need--------stop hopping through hoops if it tires you out----------get a tree with the roots wraped and plant it after christmas the trees do come that way if you only look, or you can get a fake tree as we have---------have your gifts wraped at the stores most do have gift wrapers avalible if you just look then you dont have to have the mess------use your better judgement when buying your kids gifts after all you know whats best for them--------refuse to have bad words with any family member after all it takes two to fight just walk away--------scense we arnt really certin just when jesus was born and the churches long ago decided to hold his birth day at this time and it seems jesus dosent really mind all he asks is to remember he lived and died for us and thats whats important i cant see any reason for you not to go ahead and have a wonderful MERRY CHRISTMAS , god bless you you seem to have thought of every reason to not enjoy it so i tried to find you a few to try to help you enjoy it a bit better, im not poking fun at you in any way hope you dont take it that way, enjoy your family and the time you have to spend with them thats what counts.
 
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December 13, 2006, 6:00 pm PST

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Quote From: draya001

Here's a hearty pat on the back from one Christmas non-enthusiast to another.  I get the same reaction, except for the "not old enough to appreciate the season," since I'm pushing 50.

 

draya001's Top Ten Reasons Why I Hate Christmas

 

10.  I hate Christmas because it is the first big lie parents tell their children.  I know, I know; it's all supposed to be for fun, but I think teaching a child that fantasy is real is detrimental to their mental development and their trust in their parents. 

 

9.  I hate Christmas because if you're not with the Christmas Crowd they will definitely make sure you're against them.

 

8.  I hate Christmas because it has taken an honest (however much misguided, in my opinion) sentiment and turned it into a three month long commercial.

 

7.  I hate Christmas because Salvation Army beggars wielding bells like weapons make entering any and every store a torment.  When I was a kid, they used to sing carols and play music, which was not annoying and rather pleasant.  Now they hire derelicts who throw sarcasm, curses and spit, just because I quietly passed them by.  The Salvation Army is a charitable organization, and they do good things.  If their kettle contributions are pretty thin, they ought to consider why.

 

6.  I hate Christmas because by the time everyone has worn themselves out jumping through all the obligatory hoops, no one can enjoy it.

 

5.  I hate Christmas because every year the most beautiful 70-foot Norway Spruce in the world gets killed and stuck up to dry and rot in Rockefeller Plaza, along with millions of its lesser cousins throughout the world.

 

4.  I hate the waste of paper and foil.  I hate the mess and the noise.

 

3.  I hate greedy kids who are (in about 30 minutes) completely uninterested in whatever toy they've been screaming about for the last six months.

 

2.  I hate the inevitable family fights.

 

1.  And finally, I hate Christmas because of all the Christians who whine and complain that it isn't about Jesus' birth any more, and who don't have the wit or initiative to read The Bible carefully enough to know that if Jesus ben Joseph did exist, he surely wasn't born in December; or read a history book with enough diligence to realize that what we now know as Christmas was once a pagan holiday called Saturnalia that early Northern European Christians co-opted to increase their numbers.  They tended to have a lot of backsliders around Saturnalia and they wanted to snag them back with another celebration a few days later.  If Jesus did exist, he was a Jew who maintained that he was a man like any other man; he celebrated the rituals any young Rabbi would; and the only time his birthday was anything much special was his Bar Mitzvah.  Jesus was a teacher with a message, and although I'm not a Christian (or even a Jew) I think he would be disturbed to find what we've made of his message.  He repeatedly cautioned us not to think of him as a god, because he wanted us to know that we are all God's children, and all humans can attain grace -- a very good message no matter what its source.  If you're going to be a Christian, do it right and quit whining about it.

 

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Wow, how sad. I hope your attitude improves because you are carrying around too much frustration and anger.

 

And those bell ringers you hate so much are helping the poor...all those pennies nationwide add up to millions that go to kids and families that have little. God bless them for what they do.

 

I believe if you would celebrate the TRUE meaning of the holiday you would find peace and joy. Giving back to others will make you feel WONDERFUL. The more our family does for others, the happier we are.

 

Don't buy into the commercialism. If you do, it's your choice. We buy gifts for the kids and family because we WANT to. We like the smiles and the close family times together. There are no fights, no complaints...just smiles, laughs, talking, lots of good eats and a chance to be ONE in celebration of a great event...the birth of Christ. We attend mass as a family and help out at a local food pantry that feeds the poor of our city.

 

If you were to take the time to study Christ, you would know that he was a wonderfully caring soul. I'm not telling you to believe he is the Son of God (that's YOUR CHOICE), but it would be great for you to study him to see what is so special about the Christmas season to many of us who DO try to follow the teachings of Christ.

 

God bless. I was once a disinchanted Atheist. I walked around with a big brick on my shoulder. Now, as a practicing Catholic, I am at peace. And I am a much happier and more giving person. The world benefits from happy people. I hope you get there someday.

 

Enjoy your holiday. It's yours to celebrate it as you choose since only God is your judge.

 


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