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May 15, 2007, 10:24 am PDT
 Quote From: tdunedun What in the world? How could anyone be supportive of any of these mothers and children on this show. I caught these past two episodes by chance, I am not a big Dr. Phil watcher. It seems that everyone is supportive of Kiki and Gracie. I will admit they are the most healthy of the bunch but come on. The fathers letter of support on this site was a Gracie promotion...a very smart move. But, what I see is a mother choosing one childs dream over the family. Children don't dictate the direction of your family and they certainly are not responsible for paying bills. Kiki belongs at home, if she wants to support her daughter she can do it from there at the same time she is available for her son who is equally important. By taking Gracie to Hollywood she is missing out on another gift....her son Warren. I don't believe that the son is content like the father states, all children need their mothers. And, as far as talent goes Gracie needs work. She needs the opportunity to develope her skills with training at the same time she goes to school and works on independence and just being a kid. Gosh, I could go on and on about the derailing of this family and the train wreck that will happen. Believe it or not....this is the most stable of the crew. None of these children or families is equiped for handling success or the work needed to get there. They all seem to have a sense of entitlement because they think they are special. And, the key word is "they". I don't see any children here that fascinate me...except maybe the two older boys who are articulating their thoughts and feelings beautifully but are not being heard. You make some very, very fair and thoughtful points with your comments to our family. I appreciate thoughtful comments like these as do Steve (Bonus Dad) and Kiki. The issues you raise are the exact issues we discuss ALL THE TIME! Still, I think you'll admit, that there's room in this big world for a whole bunch of different kinds of family experiences. We've counted the cost, just as ancient wisdom teaches, and we've decided that this is an adventure that we are willing to take together -- AS A FAMILY!
I had my Aunt pick-up Gracie's brother, Warren, from school early yesterday to watch with the family. I wish Dr. Phil's audience could have seen his face during the show as his mother and his sister stepped-up in very unusual circumstances to show themselves to be the absolutely beautiful people that we know and love every day of our lives! I've said this before on these boards that Warren is probably a more naturally gifted actor than Gracie. Gracie would gladly tell you that herself if asked. Where Gracie is internally driven with an achievement orientation, Warren embodies a very Zennish quality and more of a laissez faire personality. We all love that about him and we embrace him for who he is every bit as much as embrace Gracie for who she is.
In my opinion, we have to remember that we are all individuals with individual dreams, goals and ambitions. No other person has either the right nor the capacity to judge another human beings dreams for the life. In the same, I really can't see how I could ever suggest to another family how they should structure their family life and what type of adventure they should decide to undertake. Now, having said that, I believe that you are right on that there are clear risks and a very real downside to taking the path that we have chosen to take as family and you have outlined those risks very accurately and elegantly.
I guess its sort of like the woman who met a painter in the park as he was just beginning to paint a new canvas. She asked the painter, "What are you painting?" He said, "I'm painting a beautiful picture." She asked him how he knew the picture would be "beautiful" since he just started painting it. The painter answered honestly, "I don't know that it will be beautiful. I guess we'll just have to see how it turns out."
I believe life is like that painting and we are the painter -- we don't know how its all going to turn out. The best we can do is to our very best and to wait and see how it all turns out!
Namaste!
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May 15, 2007, 10:47 am PDT
Quote From: tdunedun What in the world? How could anyone be supportive of any of these mothers and children on this show. I caught these past two episodes by chance, I am not a big Dr. Phil watcher. It seems that everyone is supportive of Kiki and Gracie. I will admit they are the most healthy of the bunch but come on. The fathers letter of support on this site was a Gracie promotion...a very smart move. But, what I see is a mother choosing one childs dream over the family. Children don't dictate the direction of your family and they certainly are not responsible for paying bills. Kiki belongs at home, if she wants to support her daughter she can do it from there at the same time she is available for her son who is equally important. By taking Gracie to Hollywood she is missing out on another gift....her son Warren. I don't believe that the son is content like the father states, all children need their mothers. And, as far as talent goes Gracie needs work. She needs the opportunity to develope her skills with training at the same time she goes to school and works on independence and just being a kid. Gosh, I could go on and on about the derailing of this family and the train wreck that will happen. Believe it or not....this is the most stable of the crew. None of these children or families is equiped for handling success or the work needed to get there. They all seem to have a sense of entitlement because they think they are special. And, the key word is "they". I don't see any children here that fascinate me...except maybe the two older boys who are articulating their thoughts and feelings beautifully but are not being heard. I agree completely with what you are saying. Brittany Spears is a prime example of what happens to child stars. Its not that she is a bad mother or person. Its just that she does not have a firm grip of reallity and the ability to give of herself to her child. That is something that she has never learned. I know that Gracie's mom is supporting her well and I think it is great that Kiki is supporting her daughter, but one kids dream should not take away from another's. None of these children really need to be focusing only this so early in life. Give them a chance to discover their own talents and dreams. |
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May 15, 2007, 3:16 pm PDT
Quote From: tdunedun What in the world? How could anyone be supportive of any of these mothers and children on this show. I caught these past two episodes by chance, I am not a big Dr. Phil watcher. It seems that everyone is supportive of Kiki and Gracie. I will admit they are the most healthy of the bunch but come on. The fathers letter of support on this site was a Gracie promotion...a very smart move. But, what I see is a mother choosing one childs dream over the family. Children don't dictate the direction of your family and they certainly are not responsible for paying bills. Kiki belongs at home, if she wants to support her daughter she can do it from there at the same time she is available for her son who is equally important. By taking Gracie to Hollywood she is missing out on another gift....her son Warren. I don't believe that the son is content like the father states, all children need their mothers. And, as far as talent goes Gracie needs work. She needs the opportunity to develope her skills with training at the same time she goes to school and works on independence and just being a kid. Gosh, I could go on and on about the derailing of this family and the train wreck that will happen. Believe it or not....this is the most stable of the crew. None of these children or families is equiped for handling success or the work needed to get there. They all seem to have a sense of entitlement because they think they are special. And, the key word is "they". I don't see any children here that fascinate me...except maybe the two older boys who are articulating their thoughts and feelings beautifully but are not being heard. After reading ALL of those emails just gushing over Gracie's mother...your email was a breath of fresh air! Kiki is not benefiting anyone in the choices she is making. I can just see ten years down the road when Gracie is battling from low self-esteem because stardom never materialized and Kiki's son being in counseling to deal with being neglected by his mom. Every one of these kids on the show are just precious...as are all of the children in my little boy's school. In regards to any of them becoming famous...does any one of them have Brad Pitt or some other star for an uncle?...if not than I just don't see a chance. The talented ones in my opinion are the 3 boys (That little guy is gorgeous!)...but why in the world would Dr. Phil put 3 siblings in a competition that only one can win???? I can tell you as a judge that I would not vote for any of them simply for the reason that I wouldn't want to cause the emotional pain on the other siblings. And Veronica, in regard to having your CHILD pose in a sexual manner...that's child abuse in my opinion. Veronica, you're a beautiful lady...focus on your life and let your girl just be a kid! |
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May 23, 2007, 5:14 am PDT
Quote From: tdunedun What in the world? How could anyone be supportive of any of these mothers and children on this show. I caught these past two episodes by chance, I am not a big Dr. Phil watcher. It seems that everyone is supportive of Kiki and Gracie. I will admit they are the most healthy of the bunch but come on. The fathers letter of support on this site was a Gracie promotion...a very smart move. But, what I see is a mother choosing one childs dream over the family. Children don't dictate the direction of your family and they certainly are not responsible for paying bills. Kiki belongs at home, if she wants to support her daughter she can do it from there at the same time she is available for her son who is equally important. By taking Gracie to Hollywood she is missing out on another gift....her son Warren. I don't believe that the son is content like the father states, all children need their mothers. And, as far as talent goes Gracie needs work. She needs the opportunity to develope her skills with training at the same time she goes to school and works on independence and just being a kid. Gosh, I could go on and on about the derailing of this family and the train wreck that will happen. Believe it or not....this is the most stable of the crew. None of these children or families is equiped for handling success or the work needed to get there. They all seem to have a sense of entitlement because they think they are special. And, the key word is "they". I don't see any children here that fascinate me...except maybe the two older boys who are articulating their thoughts and feelings beautifully but are not being heard. I totally agree - as I mentioned in an earlier thread just the way Gracie's dad signs off -
"Gracie's dad (and Warren's too)" It's as if Warren is an 'afterthought'.
I greatly admire Michelle Kwan, World and Olympic Figure Skater - her parents did all they could to support her dream but they drew the line at breaking up the family - their attitude was that if Michelle was gonna do it she would have to do it with an intact family supporting her - the mom refused to leave her other two kids to go off someplace with Michelle chasing a dream. They all stayed together - Michelle became one of the most decorated Skaters in US History and the rest is history.
The kids were all cute but I didn't see any real 'outstanding' talent and I seriously doubt we'll see any of these kids on tv or in the movies any time soon. |
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