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May 23, 2007, 3:33 pm PDT
 Quote From: inthenest I can't believe that you have missed that the son in law has everyone manipulated. It works to his advantage to turn everyone against Virginia. You know the pattern of abusive men who isolate their woman and control their minds. He has got his wife wrapped around his little finger...and pulled the wool over your eyes too! His blatant arrogance, disrespect and mocking attitude towards Virginia was unbearable to witness especially when you didn't flinch at any of it. I have found a pattern here of how you deal with mothers/older women.. i really don't know. Older women should be treated with more respect. I cannot believe the way you spoke to her and treated her. Mothers are mothers forever and Virginia is torn apart because her daughter was seriously wronged by this CREEP of a guy. You let it go that Virginia is concerned for her grandchild and friends who are smoking up in the garage. The other issue you let go is that the son in law went missing on a few occasions...the daughter called her mother...in effect inviting her mother into the middle of the problem. That guy is as slippery as a snake and his poor wife is completely fooled and so are you! What you really missed is that this guy is out to get Virginia and is doing his best to get his wife to turn against her. It was unbelievable that HE, the coniving, cheating creep that he is, has the #%&@* NERVE to point his finger at Virginia and tell her that SHE KNEW that they were having an affair! The unmitigated GALL of this low life to blame Virginia in any way in a crisis that was HIS DOING! Throughout the show it was SO OBVIOUS that he was out to crucify Virginia and YOU FELL RIGHT INTO HIS TRAP! The more he alienates his wife from Virginia the more he has her to himself., and the less she will be aware of his antics. If Virginia reads this, as one mother to another....I would do the same thing, dear. To see your child side with her abuser must be very difficult; your daughter whom carried for 9 months, gave birth to, breast fed, nurtured throughout her childhood, spent a fortune on to enrich her life with activities, wiped away her tears from her first breakup, sacrificed and suffered heart ache right along with her etc, etc...stick by this slimy CREEP and now harm your grandchildren and just continue on this tirade of verbal abuse which I am sure is also directed at his wife....well, it is unbearable. I do not blame virginia in the least for tellilng her daughter to leave the guy especially when her daughter phones her asking her where her husband and Molly are. Virginia must be at her wits end, poor woman. Just wait, Virginia. Their marriage will not last....he is one angry, obnoxious, self absorbed, lying cheater. A tiger doesn't change its stripes. Give it 6 months and she will dump the guy and being the dedicated mother that you are, you will accept her back with open arms. She will need you...and so will those grandchildren. Good luck! A similar aged mother from Montreal Yep- Virginia is being blamed a little too much by everyone. Sure she has flaws and potentially a bad memory for whatever reason. However, John is absolutely swaying every audience member and possible Dr. Phil. He admits he lied and he's applauded? I agree- what's wrong with everyone? |
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May 23, 2007, 3:41 pm PDT
Quote From: inthenest I can't believe that you have missed that the son in law has everyone manipulated. It works to his advantage to turn everyone against Virginia. You know the pattern of abusive men who isolate their woman and control their minds. He has got his wife wrapped around his little finger...and pulled the wool over your eyes too! His blatant arrogance, disrespect and mocking attitude towards Virginia was unbearable to witness especially when you didn't flinch at any of it. I have found a pattern here of how you deal with mothers/older women.. i really don't know. Older women should be treated with more respect. I cannot believe the way you spoke to her and treated her. Mothers are mothers forever and Virginia is torn apart because her daughter was seriously wronged by this CREEP of a guy. You let it go that Virginia is concerned for her grandchild and friends who are smoking up in the garage. The other issue you let go is that the son in law went missing on a few occasions...the daughter called her mother...in effect inviting her mother into the middle of the problem. That guy is as slippery as a snake and his poor wife is completely fooled and so are you! What you really missed is that this guy is out to get Virginia and is doing his best to get his wife to turn against her. It was unbelievable that HE, the coniving, cheating creep that he is, has the #%&@* NERVE to point his finger at Virginia and tell her that SHE KNEW that they were having an affair! The unmitigated GALL of this low life to blame Virginia in any way in a crisis that was HIS DOING! Throughout the show it was SO OBVIOUS that he was out to crucify Virginia and YOU FELL RIGHT INTO HIS TRAP! The more he alienates his wife from Virginia the more he has her to himself., and the less she will be aware of his antics. If Virginia reads this, as one mother to another....I would do the same thing, dear. To see your child side with her abuser must be very difficult; your daughter whom carried for 9 months, gave birth to, breast fed, nurtured throughout her childhood, spent a fortune on to enrich her life with activities, wiped away her tears from her first breakup, sacrificed and suffered heart ache right along with her etc, etc...stick by this slimy CREEP and now harm your grandchildren and just continue on this tirade of verbal abuse which I am sure is also directed at his wife....well, it is unbearable. I do not blame virginia in the least for tellilng her daughter to leave the guy especially when her daughter phones her asking her where her husband and Molly are. Virginia must be at her wits end, poor woman. Just wait, Virginia. Their marriage will not last....he is one angry, obnoxious, self absorbed, lying cheater. A tiger doesn't change its stripes. Give it 6 months and she will dump the guy and being the dedicated mother that you are, you will accept her back with open arms. She will need you...and so will those grandchildren. Good luck! A similar aged mother from Montreal DR PHIL AINT GOT HE WOOL OVER HIS ETES. HE IS GOING TO MAKE THEM GO TO THE DER. PHIL HOUSE, YOU JUST SEE. |
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May 23, 2007, 4:44 pm PDT
Quote From: inthenest I can't believe that you have missed that the son in law has everyone manipulated. It works to his advantage to turn everyone against Virginia. You know the pattern of abusive men who isolate their woman and control their minds. He has got his wife wrapped around his little finger...and pulled the wool over your eyes too! His blatant arrogance, disrespect and mocking attitude towards Virginia was unbearable to witness especially when you didn't flinch at any of it. I have found a pattern here of how you deal with mothers/older women.. i really don't know. Older women should be treated with more respect. I cannot believe the way you spoke to her and treated her. Mothers are mothers forever and Virginia is torn apart because her daughter was seriously wronged by this CREEP of a guy. You let it go that Virginia is concerned for her grandchild and friends who are smoking up in the garage. The other issue you let go is that the son in law went missing on a few occasions...the daughter called her mother...in effect inviting her mother into the middle of the problem. That guy is as slippery as a snake and his poor wife is completely fooled and so are you! What you really missed is that this guy is out to get Virginia and is doing his best to get his wife to turn against her. It was unbelievable that HE, the coniving, cheating creep that he is, has the #%&@* NERVE to point his finger at Virginia and tell her that SHE KNEW that they were having an affair! The unmitigated GALL of this low life to blame Virginia in any way in a crisis that was HIS DOING! Throughout the show it was SO OBVIOUS that he was out to crucify Virginia and YOU FELL RIGHT INTO HIS TRAP! The more he alienates his wife from Virginia the more he has her to himself., and the less she will be aware of his antics. If Virginia reads this, as one mother to another....I would do the same thing, dear. To see your child side with her abuser must be very difficult; your daughter whom carried for 9 months, gave birth to, breast fed, nurtured throughout her childhood, spent a fortune on to enrich her life with activities, wiped away her tears from her first breakup, sacrificed and suffered heart ache right along with her etc, etc...stick by this slimy CREEP and now harm your grandchildren and just continue on this tirade of verbal abuse which I am sure is also directed at his wife....well, it is unbearable. I do not blame virginia in the least for tellilng her daughter to leave the guy especially when her daughter phones her asking her where her husband and Molly are. Virginia must be at her wits end, poor woman. Just wait, Virginia. Their marriage will not last....he is one angry, obnoxious, self absorbed, lying cheater. A tiger doesn't change its stripes. Give it 6 months and she will dump the guy and being the dedicated mother that you are, you will accept her back with open arms. She will need you...and so will those grandchildren. Good luck! A similar aged mother from Montreal I do see how you could come up with anger towards the cheating husband, but.......I got a mother just like Virginia who loves the drama and always seems to be in the middle of all of the family troubles. She too won' t admit it or sees it. Actually, this should have been two separate shows because we have two separate issues at hand. One about the cheating husband, I can't defend him for doing that and non-the-less with his sister in law, but he and his wife are working on that mess and good for them, they have kids. Come on lets give them that. There was no mention of abuse, only infadelity (unless I missed that). Apparently there is infidelity in most marrages now a day. Not that I am condoning that. Divorce is not the answer. The mother is a lier, minipulating, scheming, gossip that can't own up to her issues that have driven a wedge between her and her daughter. I bet you anything that this is not the only situation and Betti is not the only one who deals with Virginia's games. It's just so happened that it came to surface on the Dr. Phil show and in the counceling the couple is recieving. Unless Virginia owns her mistakes and learns and betters herself Betti should keep her at arms lenght. Virginia should go to separate counceling alone and with her daughter. My own Mother has cunningly interfered so much that it pushed marrital relationships down the tubes and broke the family apart by putting sibling against siblings. So I am sure there is much more going on other than what we saw on the show. Best of luck and Blessings to them all.
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May 23, 2007, 4:59 pm PDT
Quote From: inthenest I can't believe that you have missed that the son in law has everyone manipulated. It works to his advantage to turn everyone against Virginia. You know the pattern of abusive men who isolate their woman and control their minds. He has got his wife wrapped around his little finger...and pulled the wool over your eyes too! His blatant arrogance, disrespect and mocking attitude towards Virginia was unbearable to witness especially when you didn't flinch at any of it. I have found a pattern here of how you deal with mothers/older women.. i really don't know. Older women should be treated with more respect. I cannot believe the way you spoke to her and treated her. Mothers are mothers forever and Virginia is torn apart because her daughter was seriously wronged by this CREEP of a guy. You let it go that Virginia is concerned for her grandchild and friends who are smoking up in the garage. The other issue you let go is that the son in law went missing on a few occasions...the daughter called her mother...in effect inviting her mother into the middle of the problem. That guy is as slippery as a snake and his poor wife is completely fooled and so are you! What you really missed is that this guy is out to get Virginia and is doing his best to get his wife to turn against her. It was unbelievable that HE, the coniving, cheating creep that he is, has the #%&@* NERVE to point his finger at Virginia and tell her that SHE KNEW that they were having an affair! The unmitigated GALL of this low life to blame Virginia in any way in a crisis that was HIS DOING! Throughout the show it was SO OBVIOUS that he was out to crucify Virginia and YOU FELL RIGHT INTO HIS TRAP! The more he alienates his wife from Virginia the more he has her to himself., and the less she will be aware of his antics. If Virginia reads this, as one mother to another....I would do the same thing, dear. To see your child side with her abuser must be very difficult; your daughter whom carried for 9 months, gave birth to, breast fed, nurtured throughout her childhood, spent a fortune on to enrich her life with activities, wiped away her tears from her first breakup, sacrificed and suffered heart ache right along with her etc, etc...stick by this slimy CREEP and now harm your grandchildren and just continue on this tirade of verbal abuse which I am sure is also directed at his wife....well, it is unbearable. I do not blame virginia in the least for tellilng her daughter to leave the guy especially when her daughter phones her asking her where her husband and Molly are. Virginia must be at her wits end, poor woman. Just wait, Virginia. Their marriage will not last....he is one angry, obnoxious, self absorbed, lying cheater. A tiger doesn't change its stripes. Give it 6 months and she will dump the guy and being the dedicated mother that you are, you will accept her back with open arms. She will need you...and so will those grandchildren. Good luck! A similar aged mother from Montreal I agree with you totally........... John needed to quit admiring himself on camera and REALLY talk to Dr. Phil AND listen!!!! |
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May 23, 2007, 7:18 pm PDT
Quote From: inthenest I can't believe that you have missed that the son in law has everyone manipulated. It works to his advantage to turn everyone against Virginia. You know the pattern of abusive men who isolate their woman and control their minds. He has got his wife wrapped around his little finger...and pulled the wool over your eyes too! His blatant arrogance, disrespect and mocking attitude towards Virginia was unbearable to witness especially when you didn't flinch at any of it. I have found a pattern here of how you deal with mothers/older women.. i really don't know. Older women should be treated with more respect. I cannot believe the way you spoke to her and treated her. Mothers are mothers forever and Virginia is torn apart because her daughter was seriously wronged by this CREEP of a guy. You let it go that Virginia is concerned for her grandchild and friends who are smoking up in the garage. The other issue you let go is that the son in law went missing on a few occasions...the daughter called her mother...in effect inviting her mother into the middle of the problem. That guy is as slippery as a snake and his poor wife is completely fooled and so are you! What you really missed is that this guy is out to get Virginia and is doing his best to get his wife to turn against her. It was unbelievable that HE, the coniving, cheating creep that he is, has the #%&@* NERVE to point his finger at Virginia and tell her that SHE KNEW that they were having an affair! The unmitigated GALL of this low life to blame Virginia in any way in a crisis that was HIS DOING! Throughout the show it was SO OBVIOUS that he was out to crucify Virginia and YOU FELL RIGHT INTO HIS TRAP! The more he alienates his wife from Virginia the more he has her to himself., and the less she will be aware of his antics. If Virginia reads this, as one mother to another....I would do the same thing, dear. To see your child side with her abuser must be very difficult; your daughter whom carried for 9 months, gave birth to, breast fed, nurtured throughout her childhood, spent a fortune on to enrich her life with activities, wiped away her tears from her first breakup, sacrificed and suffered heart ache right along with her etc, etc...stick by this slimy CREEP and now harm your grandchildren and just continue on this tirade of verbal abuse which I am sure is also directed at his wife....well, it is unbearable. I do not blame virginia in the least for tellilng her daughter to leave the guy especially when her daughter phones her asking her where her husband and Molly are. Virginia must be at her wits end, poor woman. Just wait, Virginia. Their marriage will not last....he is one angry, obnoxious, self absorbed, lying cheater. A tiger doesn't change its stripes. Give it 6 months and she will dump the guy and being the dedicated mother that you are, you will accept her back with open arms. She will need you...and so will those grandchildren. Good luck! A similar aged mother from Montreal After watching the last show, I was feeling some of these same sentiments. I love Dr Phil and usually understand his reasoning, but today he had me wondering if I was off the mark, It was reasuring that others felt the same as I did. |
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May 23, 2007, 9:39 pm PDT
Quote From: inthenest I can't believe that you have missed that the son in law has everyone manipulated. It works to his advantage to turn everyone against Virginia. You know the pattern of abusive men who isolate their woman and control their minds. He has got his wife wrapped around his little finger...and pulled the wool over your eyes too! His blatant arrogance, disrespect and mocking attitude towards Virginia was unbearable to witness especially when you didn't flinch at any of it. I have found a pattern here of how you deal with mothers/older women.. i really don't know. Older women should be treated with more respect. I cannot believe the way you spoke to her and treated her. Mothers are mothers forever and Virginia is torn apart because her daughter was seriously wronged by this CREEP of a guy. You let it go that Virginia is concerned for her grandchild and friends who are smoking up in the garage. The other issue you let go is that the son in law went missing on a few occasions...the daughter called her mother...in effect inviting her mother into the middle of the problem. That guy is as slippery as a snake and his poor wife is completely fooled and so are you! What you really missed is that this guy is out to get Virginia and is doing his best to get his wife to turn against her. It was unbelievable that HE, the coniving, cheating creep that he is, has the #%&@* NERVE to point his finger at Virginia and tell her that SHE KNEW that they were having an affair! The unmitigated GALL of this low life to blame Virginia in any way in a crisis that was HIS DOING! Throughout the show it was SO OBVIOUS that he was out to crucify Virginia and YOU FELL RIGHT INTO HIS TRAP! The more he alienates his wife from Virginia the more he has her to himself., and the less she will be aware of his antics. If Virginia reads this, as one mother to another....I would do the same thing, dear. To see your child side with her abuser must be very difficult; your daughter whom carried for 9 months, gave birth to, breast fed, nurtured throughout her childhood, spent a fortune on to enrich her life with activities, wiped away her tears from her first breakup, sacrificed and suffered heart ache right along with her etc, etc...stick by this slimy CREEP and now harm your grandchildren and just continue on this tirade of verbal abuse which I am sure is also directed at his wife....well, it is unbearable. I do not blame virginia in the least for tellilng her daughter to leave the guy especially when her daughter phones her asking her where her husband and Molly are. Virginia must be at her wits end, poor woman. Just wait, Virginia. Their marriage will not last....he is one angry, obnoxious, self absorbed, lying cheater. A tiger doesn't change its stripes. Give it 6 months and she will dump the guy and being the dedicated mother that you are, you will accept her back with open arms. She will need you...and so will those grandchildren. Good luck! A similar aged mother from Montreal
i also agree with most of what you put in this message...i was literly sick to my stomach watching this man , he was getting everything he wanted and was so smug about it, he couldnot keep his eyes off himself..i LOVE Dr. Phil but i really think he is missing it on this one 30 years or not. |
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May 23, 2007, 10:38 pm PDT
Quote From: inthenest I can't believe that you have missed that the son in law has everyone manipulated. It works to his advantage to turn everyone against Virginia. You know the pattern of abusive men who isolate their woman and control their minds. He has got his wife wrapped around his little finger...and pulled the wool over your eyes too! His blatant arrogance, disrespect and mocking attitude towards Virginia was unbearable to witness especially when you didn't flinch at any of it. I have found a pattern here of how you deal with mothers/older women.. i really don't know. Older women should be treated with more respect. I cannot believe the way you spoke to her and treated her. Mothers are mothers forever and Virginia is torn apart because her daughter was seriously wronged by this CREEP of a guy. You let it go that Virginia is concerned for her grandchild and friends who are smoking up in the garage. The other issue you let go is that the son in law went missing on a few occasions...the daughter called her mother...in effect inviting her mother into the middle of the problem. That guy is as slippery as a snake and his poor wife is completely fooled and so are you! What you really missed is that this guy is out to get Virginia and is doing his best to get his wife to turn against her. It was unbelievable that HE, the coniving, cheating creep that he is, has the #%&@* NERVE to point his finger at Virginia and tell her that SHE KNEW that they were having an affair! The unmitigated GALL of this low life to blame Virginia in any way in a crisis that was HIS DOING! Throughout the show it was SO OBVIOUS that he was out to crucify Virginia and YOU FELL RIGHT INTO HIS TRAP! The more he alienates his wife from Virginia the more he has her to himself., and the less she will be aware of his antics. If Virginia reads this, as one mother to another....I would do the same thing, dear. To see your child side with her abuser must be very difficult; your daughter whom carried for 9 months, gave birth to, breast fed, nurtured throughout her childhood, spent a fortune on to enrich her life with activities, wiped away her tears from her first breakup, sacrificed and suffered heart ache right along with her etc, etc...stick by this slimy CREEP and now harm your grandchildren and just continue on this tirade of verbal abuse which I am sure is also directed at his wife....well, it is unbearable. I do not blame virginia in the least for tellilng her daughter to leave the guy especially when her daughter phones her asking her where her husband and Molly are. Virginia must be at her wits end, poor woman. Just wait, Virginia. Their marriage will not last....he is one angry, obnoxious, self absorbed, lying cheater. A tiger doesn't change its stripes. Give it 6 months and she will dump the guy and being the dedicated mother that you are, you will accept her back with open arms. She will need you...and so will those grandchildren. Good luck! A similar aged mother from Montreal How do you claim you know all this about this family. I saw a bunch of pointless yelling, I feel very sorry for the daughter that is pulled in the middle of this war and then her pain is totally dismissed like its not important. Just like the husband has done so has this mother, the difference is the husband came clean about it. Maybe the husband is pissed cause he is trying to work all these problems out with HIS wife and HIS mother in law keeps bring problems into his relationship. Yes I totally think its wrong he had a affair with the sister that has be near one of the worst things a husband can do. But the fact is his wife is working it out and her mother should respect her choice, even if she hates this man with all of her soul. All the mother has on this guy is that she believes he smokes pot in the garage with his kids, and the couple both said that is a lie, and then she was caught in a lie about what she said about the shrink, then that she divroced her husband behind his back, this lady sounds nuts. I dont have a clue why this young women/daughter wants anything to do with her mother she doesn't sounds like she is a helpful person in her life, and right now she needs to feel like she has support. |
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