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June 25, 2007, 12:50 pm PDT

Dear vicki,

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I wasnt surewhether to put this in the Relationships Over 40 or here; but I guess theprimary subject is about commitment/marriage involving alcohol addiction. Ihave been in a distance relationship for over 3 years [introduced by a mutualfriend whom I was visiting and have known since kindergarten.  Two years into the relationship he proposed& I accepted.  He is everything my ex-husbandwasnt creative, loving, open & warm, and insightful; I am in my late40s, he in his mid 50s; we both have children who love us [me one, he 4, andwe have stable jobs, the main reason I would ever marry is for love, being ableto share my life with him!  I essentiallylive on an island & he has set up a lifestyle in the north where he spendswinters dog mushing and winter activities out at his cabin.  I plan on moving next year.  

After a lot of observation& introspection, it has become clear to me he is an alcoholic, or isentering the mid to late stages of.  Withmuch difficulty I expressed a change of heart about marriage to him until I could see a record of sobriety; but I still maintain my commitment to the relationship. He says he will quit. If it were anybody else I would have given upon this relationship, his many good qualities make me want to give him and ourrelationship, a chance.  Not knowing muchabout alcoholism, other than mainstream information, I found and read a book titledUnder The Influence by Milam and Ketcham, which addresses the myths andrealities of alcoholism.  There were several facts I read that blew me away - at least I never heard this! Besides the fact that 10% of the population processes alcohol on a cellular level different than others, over the history of their life, if these people continue to abuse alcohol more & more their cells actually change.  Alcoholism is a disease that changes the cells - the thing is they get to a certain point where they cant stop drinking no matter how hard they try - this has nothing to do with their psychology or mental stamina; it has to do with physiology and cell changes.  Well, he told me he would/could stopdrinking and that he has stopped before. I dont think he realizes the power the alcohol has over him at this point in his life; and it would be very difficult to tell him everything Ive learned reading about this disease i.e., that there is a huge probability he would need treatment to stop. He minimizes the seriousness of it.
 

Am I wrong to think I will take his word he is stopping drinking but yet the times I have asked him whether he was drinking, he admits he cant lie to me tonight he said he just had a little though, not that much.  I cannot marry him until he is no longer actively drinking, but I cannot see what he is doing everyday due to the distance of our relationship; even if I could it is up to him - we see each other maybe once a month or every other month.  Next year my 17-year old [God willinggraduates and I am quitting my job and moving north to go to school/changecareers - but also to be closer to him. He has such a good heart; sometimes I feel like I must be crazy; surely people are supposed to be smart enough not to fall in love with an alcoholic and why wasnt I smart enough?  Any suggestions,comments, or experiences you may have had would be truly appreciated from the bottom of my heart because I feel alone in this; I am afraid what my family would say about me "knowingly" being with someone with a disease as all-encompassing as this . . . . my mind goes back and forth back & forth to where I wonder if I even know what the heck i'm doing in life. . . 

   

This has nothing to do with your intelligence; ‘smart’ people fall in love with alcoholics as well as not ‘smart’ people. Also, you know all of this man’s positive qualities; that is why you fell in love with him - YOU are the one who will be living with him, dealing with his addiction on a daily basis; not anyone else. That is why you can’t allow what other people (your family) might say about you “knowingly” being with someone who is an alcoholic. You can’t allow what you think others might say about you to have influence over your decisions; at this point in your life, you’ve got to live for yourself, because hopefully you have discovered that you and only you are responsible for your happiness.

Have you discussed alcohol treatment with your boyfriend? You are probably hesitant to talk to him about it because you are ready to hear his excuses for why he doesn’t ‘need’ to go, etc. Your best option would be to research treatment facilities in the area where he lives, get enough information so that when he brings up an excuse as for why he can’t go, you can counter that excuse with a reason why he CAN go. It is possible that he could go into an out-patient treatment program so that he would attend intensive therapy but also be able to go to work, etc. He needs to learn how to un-do his life-long habit of having ‘a few drinks.’

If your fiance isn’t willing to consider quitting, you’ve got to be realistic. You need to look out for your own best interests, because if you don’t, then who will? I wish you the best.

 
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July 26, 2007, 12:47 pm PDT

Ready for Marriage?

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I wasnt surewhether to put this in the Relationships Over 40 or here; but I guess theprimary subject is about commitment/marriage involving alcohol addiction. Ihave been in a distance relationship for over 3 years [introduced by a mutualfriend whom I was visiting and have known since kindergarten.  Two years into the relationship he proposed& I accepted.  He is everything my ex-husbandwasnt creative, loving, open & warm, and insightful; I am in my late40s, he in his mid 50s; we both have children who love us [me one, he 4, andwe have stable jobs, the main reason I would ever marry is for love, being ableto share my life with him!  I essentiallylive on an island & he has set up a lifestyle in the north where he spendswinters dog mushing and winter activities out at his cabin.  I plan on moving next year.  

After a lot of observation& introspection, it has become clear to me he is an alcoholic, or isentering the mid to late stages of.  Withmuch difficulty I expressed a change of heart about marriage to him until I could see a record of sobriety; but I still maintain my commitment to the relationship. He says he will quit. If it were anybody else I would have given upon this relationship, his many good qualities make me want to give him and ourrelationship, a chance.  Not knowing muchabout alcoholism, other than mainstream information, I found and read a book titledUnder The Influence by Milam and Ketcham, which addresses the myths andrealities of alcoholism.  There were several facts I read that blew me away - at least I never heard this! Besides the fact that 10% of the population processes alcohol on a cellular level different than others, over the history of their life, if these people continue to abuse alcohol more & more their cells actually change.  Alcoholism is a disease that changes the cells - the thing is they get to a certain point where they cant stop drinking no matter how hard they try - this has nothing to do with their psychology or mental stamina; it has to do with physiology and cell changes.  Well, he told me he would/could stopdrinking and that he has stopped before. I dont think he realizes the power the alcohol has over him at this point in his life; and it would be very difficult to tell him everything Ive learned reading about this disease i.e., that there is a huge probability he would need treatment to stop. He minimizes the seriousness of it.
 

Am I wrong to think I will take his word he is stopping drinking but yet the times I have asked him whether he was drinking, he admits he cant lie to me tonight he said he just had a little though, not that much.  I cannot marry him until he is no longer actively drinking, but I cannot see what he is doing everyday due to the distance of our relationship; even if I could it is up to him - we see each other maybe once a month or every other month.  Next year my 17-year old [God willinggraduates and I am quitting my job and moving north to go to school/changecareers - but also to be closer to him. He has such a good heart; sometimes I feel like I must be crazy; surely people are supposed to be smart enough not to fall in love with an alcoholic and why wasnt I smart enough?  Any suggestions,comments, or experiences you may have had would be truly appreciated from the bottom of my heart because I feel alone in this; I am afraid what my family would say about me "knowingly" being with someone with a disease as all-encompassing as this . . . . my mind goes back and forth back & forth to where I wonder if I even know what the heck i'm doing in life. . . 

   

This has nothing to do with being smart or not. You fell in love with the person, but the habit will kill him. Alchohol does many things to your body, that is all I know for sure. If he goes to the doctor he might find out his timeline on how long he has to live before the disease kills him. If you don't mind loosing him early, and he isn't dangerous when he is drunk (to himself or anyone else) then stay by all means.

He needs to figure out how he can get through this, if he really wants to quit. If you haven't seen him daily then I wouldn't suggest making the hasty move of moving out there, unless maybe you are getting a place on your own.

 


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