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July 8, 2007, 9:30 am PDT

07/11 What’s Up, Doc?

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Not being "potty trained" can have a MEDICAL reason ... it is called encopresis.  Some children, particularly boys, have difficulty eliminating waste.  This may be a result of many reasons or a reason that cannot be determined.  Some of the reasons include poor muscle tone in the rectum, an inability to feel or recognize the body's message to go to the bathroom, an inability of the body to "move" the waste through the intestines/bowel because there is either poor or no peristaltic movement.  There could be a number of other reasons as well.  This is an illness that is NEVER talked about in public for just the reason that most of you have shown ... people tend to think of it as disgusting with the end result that children who have it are embarassed and have very poor self esteem. They don't want to be ill but cannot fix it.  It takes many many years and a lot of work to get it under control.  Oddly enough this illness is often improved or it may even disappear around the time of puberty.  Doctors think it may be a result of an increase in hormone production.  Interestingly, it is actually much more common that most people would have believed - it is just never discussed - which is a terrible shame because of what it does to the children.  So perhaps instead of immediately judging these children, you might want to be informed first (try googling "encopresis" and "enuresis") and then watch this episode to see if that is what they have.

Good job and thank you for not being judge mental.  Some people I tell ya.  I think it's very important for people to look at things from all angles.  I've recently joined up a couple of days ago and I'm already sick of what this world has to say about other people they know nothing about.  Their opinion or not, some people are just plain rude!  By the way I couldn't agree more with what you had to say it sounds as though you are very educated in this area.  I guess we'll have to wait and see the show. 

 

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P.s. I'm sure this family didn't come on TV to nationally embarrass themselves so I think everyone should keep any negative comments to themselves until after the show.

 
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July 11, 2007, 7:41 am PDT

07/11 What’s Up, Doc?

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Not being "potty trained" can have a MEDICAL reason ... it is called encopresis.  Some children, particularly boys, have difficulty eliminating waste.  This may be a result of many reasons or a reason that cannot be determined.  Some of the reasons include poor muscle tone in the rectum, an inability to feel or recognize the body's message to go to the bathroom, an inability of the body to "move" the waste through the intestines/bowel because there is either poor or no peristaltic movement.  There could be a number of other reasons as well.  This is an illness that is NEVER talked about in public for just the reason that most of you have shown ... people tend to think of it as disgusting with the end result that children who have it are embarassed and have very poor self esteem. They don't want to be ill but cannot fix it.  It takes many many years and a lot of work to get it under control.  Oddly enough this illness is often improved or it may even disappear around the time of puberty.  Doctors think it may be a result of an increase in hormone production.  Interestingly, it is actually much more common that most people would have believed - it is just never discussed - which is a terrible shame because of what it does to the children.  So perhaps instead of immediately judging these children, you might want to be informed first (try googling "encopresis" and "enuresis") and then watch this episode to see if that is what they have.

 In college, I had a psych professor who once treated a boy with encopresis. In the early 70's. The boy's mother was a "Primal Scream" therapist. One of the many junk "psychologies" of that era. In which the "patient" must go through a "rebirthing" process. She practiced this "therapy" on her own son. Encopresis was the result. But, after a few sessions with my professor, the encopresis ceased.
 
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July 11, 2007, 8:20 am PDT

Thank You!

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Not being "potty trained" can have a MEDICAL reason ... it is called encopresis.  Some children, particularly boys, have difficulty eliminating waste.  This may be a result of many reasons or a reason that cannot be determined.  Some of the reasons include poor muscle tone in the rectum, an inability to feel or recognize the body's message to go to the bathroom, an inability of the body to "move" the waste through the intestines/bowel because there is either poor or no peristaltic movement.  There could be a number of other reasons as well.  This is an illness that is NEVER talked about in public for just the reason that most of you have shown ... people tend to think of it as disgusting with the end result that children who have it are embarassed and have very poor self esteem. They don't want to be ill but cannot fix it.  It takes many many years and a lot of work to get it under control.  Oddly enough this illness is often improved or it may even disappear around the time of puberty.  Doctors think it may be a result of an increase in hormone production.  Interestingly, it is actually much more common that most people would have believed - it is just never discussed - which is a terrible shame because of what it does to the children.  So perhaps instead of immediately judging these children, you might want to be informed first (try googling "encopresis" and "enuresis") and then watch this episode to see if that is what they have.

Thank you for your educated thoughts!  After actually "watching" the show, I came to this website to find more information about this subject.    I wanted to educate myself on this subject because I am dealing with a similar situation with one of my children.   It absolutely crushed me to read the hateful comments from people who obviously are not informed and may not have even seen the show.   I am going to research "encopresis" and "enuresis" .  Thank you again!
 
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July 12, 2007, 7:41 am PDT

Let's get real

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Not being "potty trained" can have a MEDICAL reason ... it is called encopresis.  Some children, particularly boys, have difficulty eliminating waste.  This may be a result of many reasons or a reason that cannot be determined.  Some of the reasons include poor muscle tone in the rectum, an inability to feel or recognize the body's message to go to the bathroom, an inability of the body to "move" the waste through the intestines/bowel because there is either poor or no peristaltic movement.  There could be a number of other reasons as well.  This is an illness that is NEVER talked about in public for just the reason that most of you have shown ... people tend to think of it as disgusting with the end result that children who have it are embarassed and have very poor self esteem. They don't want to be ill but cannot fix it.  It takes many many years and a lot of work to get it under control.  Oddly enough this illness is often improved or it may even disappear around the time of puberty.  Doctors think it may be a result of an increase in hormone production.  Interestingly, it is actually much more common that most people would have believed - it is just never discussed - which is a terrible shame because of what it does to the children.  So perhaps instead of immediately judging these children, you might want to be informed first (try googling "encopresis" and "enuresis") and then watch this episode to see if that is what they have.

     I can understand this being a medical problem. But kids that big that can't acknowledge that they have a load in their pants and clean themselves up?? That's ridiculous. And to leave a lump of poo on the kitchen floor? Maybe they can't control what their bodies do, but they can clean up the result. One doctor says they can't smell the poo in their pants, they get too accostomed to it, like when you put on perfume. But anyone can tell they have a load in their pants. Are they totally insensitive from the neck down? Teach 'em to look in their pants several times a day. If there's a load there, they need to change. And wash their own pants. And clean up any "droppings". This is partly a medical problem, but also partly a personal responsibility problem. I bet if they institute that program with the enemas, they may start cleaning up their act quickly!
 
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November 22, 2007, 8:26 am PST

07/11 What’s Up, Doc?

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Not being "potty trained" can have a MEDICAL reason ... it is called encopresis.  Some children, particularly boys, have difficulty eliminating waste.  This may be a result of many reasons or a reason that cannot be determined.  Some of the reasons include poor muscle tone in the rectum, an inability to feel or recognize the body's message to go to the bathroom, an inability of the body to "move" the waste through the intestines/bowel because there is either poor or no peristaltic movement.  There could be a number of other reasons as well.  This is an illness that is NEVER talked about in public for just the reason that most of you have shown ... people tend to think of it as disgusting with the end result that children who have it are embarassed and have very poor self esteem. They don't want to be ill but cannot fix it.  It takes many many years and a lot of work to get it under control.  Oddly enough this illness is often improved or it may even disappear around the time of puberty.  Doctors think it may be a result of an increase in hormone production.  Interestingly, it is actually much more common that most people would have believed - it is just never discussed - which is a terrible shame because of what it does to the children.  So perhaps instead of immediately judging these children, you might want to be informed first (try googling "encopresis" and "enuresis") and then watch this episode to see if that is what they have.

I agree, we have a 5 year old boy with this problem and we have tried everything, doctors, different food, toilet training. its been many tears from us and from our son who feel ashamed.We are now waiting  to come to an specialist in this area and its feels great. Find out more before judging and stop writing such stupids things such as that it is something wrong with the parents and the children....its nothing wrong with us or our son....bye bye from Sweden
 
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November 18, 2008, 7:03 pm PST

my heart breaks

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Not being "potty trained" can have a MEDICAL reason ... it is called encopresis.  Some children, particularly boys, have difficulty eliminating waste.  This may be a result of many reasons or a reason that cannot be determined.  Some of the reasons include poor muscle tone in the rectum, an inability to feel or recognize the body's message to go to the bathroom, an inability of the body to "move" the waste through the intestines/bowel because there is either poor or no peristaltic movement.  There could be a number of other reasons as well.  This is an illness that is NEVER talked about in public for just the reason that most of you have shown ... people tend to think of it as disgusting with the end result that children who have it are embarassed and have very poor self esteem. They don't want to be ill but cannot fix it.  It takes many many years and a lot of work to get it under control.  Oddly enough this illness is often improved or it may even disappear around the time of puberty.  Doctors think it may be a result of an increase in hormone production.  Interestingly, it is actually much more common that most people would have believed - it is just never discussed - which is a terrible shame because of what it does to the children.  So perhaps instead of immediately judging these children, you might want to be informed first (try googling "encopresis" and "enuresis") and then watch this episode to see if that is what they have.

My heart breaks for you and for the couple on the show.  I didn't get to see this show but found this discussion through a google search.  I have a little boy who is struggling with this.  He is 5 1/2.  We have been to countless specialists.  Every X-ray showed him full of poop.  The doctors told us that his bowels are 9 times the size of a regular child.  He cannot feel when he needs to poop.  The muscles and nerve endings are stretched so far they aren't working properly.  We struggled for a year and a half trying to get him potty trained.  We thought we were close when one day he woke up and couldn't hold his pee anymore.  After many tests we were told he was just full of poop and that we needed to get that under control first before they could tell us if he had any other issues.  None of the urologists or kidney doctors could help.  We finally got into see a specialist here in Kansas City who could help us.  We have been on  a high fiber diet since April.  We have used enemas to help get him cleared out  and I think we are finally getting it under control.  This has been a nightmare for us and our little boy.  Imagine not being able to feel it and then having your parents get after you for having accidents.  We were emotionally drained and so was he. Thanks to our wonderful doctor we have finally gotten things under control.  We aren't 100% potty trained yet but I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.  Luckily for us, my son is just in half day kindergarten and the school has been very understanding.  He goes in a pull up.  I pray we can be potty trained by first grade.  I think this is a problem that people are embarassed to talk about so we don't see how common it really is.  Please contact me if you'd like more info on what we are doing to help our son.
 


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