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October 3, 2005, 10:35 pm PDT
 Quote From: fruittune I would think that if the second generation suffered abuse they would in turn become abusers themselves.you see I studied a little bit of psychology myself.
Abuse runs in Families, the parents abuse the kids then the kids in turn abuse their siblings and eventually it starts itself all over with the next generation. I have no doubt that some abuse occured 15 to 20 years ago. But if the second generation members are now the "teachers" and no abuses if occuring now, what does that have to say about the group today? This tells me that abuse was not as widespread as some would claim. Otherwise you'd see more abuse happening now at the hands of the abused second generation. The testimonials from current young people in the Family indicate that they are for the most part happy and they believe that what they are doing is a for a good cause. If you look at the evidence you would see that abuse occured over a period spanning the early to mid eighties, what the group practiced in before seems to have changed for whatever reasons and it seems like the family communities are reasonably safe places to raise children.
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October 4, 2005, 4:43 am PDT
Quote From: fruittune I would think that if the second generation suffered abuse they would in turn become abusers themselves.you see I studied a little bit of psychology myself.
Abuse runs in Families, the parents abuse the kids then the kids in turn abuse their siblings and eventually it starts itself all over with the next generation. I have no doubt that some abuse occured 15 to 20 years ago. But if the second generation members are now the "teachers" and no abuses if occuring now, what does that have to say about the group today? This tells me that abuse was not as widespread as some would claim. Otherwise you'd see more abuse happening now at the hands of the abused second generation. The testimonials from current young people in the Family indicate that they are for the most part happy and they believe that what they are doing is a for a good cause. If you look at the evidence you would see that abuse occured over a period spanning the early to mid eighties, what the group practiced in before seems to have changed for whatever reasons and it seems like the family communities are reasonably safe places to raise children.
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArtTextonly.aspx?refid=761562624&find=1
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Many people have difficulty understanding why any person would hurt a child. The public often assumes that people who abuse their children suffer from mental disorders, but fewer than 10 percent of abusers have mental illnesses. Most abusers love their children but tend to have less patience and less mature personalities than other parents. These traits make it difficult to cope with the demands of their children and increase the likelihood of physical or emotional abuse. However, there is no single explanation for child maltreatment. Child abuse results from a complex combination of personal, social, and cultural factors. These may be grouped into four primary categories: (1) intergenerational transmission of violence, (2) social stress, (3) social isolation and low community involvement, and (4) family structure.
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Many people have difficulty understanding why any person would hurt a child. The public often assumes that people who abuse their children suffer from mental disorders, but fewer than 10 percent of abusers have mental illnesses. Most abusers love their children but tend to have less patience and less mature personalities than other parents. These traits make it difficult to cope with the demands of their children and increase the likelihood of physical or emotional abuse. However, there is no single explanation for child maltreatment. Child abuse results from a complex combination of personal, social, and cultural factors. These may be grouped into four primary categories: (1) intergenerational transmission of violence, (2) social stress, (3) social isolation and low community involvement, and (4) family structure. Many children learn violent behavior from their parents and then grow up to abuse their own children. Thus, the abusive behavior is transmitted across generations. Studies show that some 30 percent of abused children become abusive parents, whereas only 2 to 3 percent of all individuals become abusive parents. Children who experience abuse and violence may adopt this behavior as a model for their own parenting. However, the majority of abused children do not become abusive adults. Some experts believe that an important predictor of later abuse is whether the child realizes that the behavior was wrong. Children who believe they behaved badly and deserved the abuse become abusive parents more often than children who believe their parents were wrong to abuse them
Other articles www.nccafv.org/child.htm
www.penpages.psu.edu/penpages_reference/28507/28507709.HTML
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0AZV/is_1_40/ai_73232572
http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/print.asp?ArticleID=53303
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/07/050701062300.htm
This study shows that the intergenerational transmission of abuse is inconclusive www.cyc-net.org/Newsdesk/newsdesk-000911-k.html
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October 4, 2005, 11:53 am PDT
Quote From: fruittune I would think that if the second generation suffered abuse they would in turn become abusers themselves.you see I studied a little bit of psychology myself.
Abuse runs in Families, the parents abuse the kids then the kids in turn abuse their siblings and eventually it starts itself all over with the next generation. I have no doubt that some abuse occured 15 to 20 years ago. But if the second generation members are now the "teachers" and no abuses if occuring now, what does that have to say about the group today? This tells me that abuse was not as widespread as some would claim. Otherwise you'd see more abuse happening now at the hands of the abused second generation. The testimonials from current young people in the Family indicate that they are for the most part happy and they believe that what they are doing is a for a good cause. If you look at the evidence you would see that abuse occured over a period spanning the early to mid eighties, what the group practiced in before seems to have changed for whatever reasons and it seems like the family communities are reasonably safe places to raise children.
Listen - go to MovingOn.Org and read the testimonials there. They have, I think, something like 2,000 (or maybe 1,000) registered participants, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. These are the offspring of the movement, the site is specifically for those born in the group - so one or two thousand registered participants is a lot of kids that were abused in some form or fashion. I know, because it happened to my family. I know many, many families who don't go on line and post so the numbers are going to be even higher of those that have left who were abused.
Since this happened somewhere around the late 70s and late 80s, even into the 90s - (and don't believe that silly statement that they banned sexual relations in 1986, as someone else explained, 12 year olds were considered adults (according to Berg) and could drink wine, have sex, etc. They are not telling you everything when they tell you that. They are adept liars)-- These kids are now either in their late 20s or early 30s. Those left in the group are often younger or somehow slipped through without being touched - lucky them. They may even be too young to remember Heaven's Girl - that's a beauty they all had to read. Go ahead, find that on one of the exmember websites, that'll knock your socks off. Try xfamily.org for a large selection of those publications read to children.
The problem with The Family International is they will not own up to their past and try to blame "exhuberant" participants on policies that were firmly set in place by their founder, David Berg and his Mistress Maria Karen Zerby, which is evidenced by their very own publication, the Davidito Book. Until they own up to their past, quit worshipping Berg as their dead prophet and Karen Zerby proclaims to all that these were and are abusive doctrines that are not of God or the bible, Berg was never a prophet, then they will continue on in their denials and abuse their members through high tithes, crazy prophecies, bilking the public and running from their past. This madness needs to stop, today. They need to make restitution to these literally thousands of kids that were abused or it will continue to haunt them. A simple - we are sorry you were hurt - does not cut it. There are literally thousands of stories of their own offspring who had to leave on their own, sleep on park benches, and try and live in society without any parents or family to help them, yet they succeeded in spite of their parents who are living somewhere in la-la land. God help them. |
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