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October 12, 2007, 8:33 am PDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

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Allow me to comment on this. The International Crime Victims Survey showed that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. In England 26% of the population had been the victim of violent crime. Australia, who also took guns from its citizens, led the list with 30% of its population being victimized. The US did not even make the list. All types of crime are high in countries where the government has taken the right to carry a gun from its citizens. And who would want to live in a country where the police could not carry guns? I sure wouldn't be bragging about that. And don't get into that tripe about disenfranchised people. These are people who can not handle their anger or some perceived putdown to themselves. One thing that would protect our children is to send all teachers to a top notch gun safety course and teach them practical shooting so that they can stop these shooters before it turns into Columbine or Virginia Tech. An armed teacher at either one of those schools would have saved a lot of lives. The reason the crime rate is low in states that have given their citizens the right to carry a concealed weapon is because the criminals know we are not pushovers like in other countries. If these students knew that the teachers had guns and would not hesitate to protect the kids in their classes, we would see these shootings stop.

 

Where did you get this information? I checked on the internet, and the only survey I found was from 1996, 11 years ago
 

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October 14, 2007, 2:04 am PDT

Home coming shooting

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Allow me to comment on this. The International Crime Victims Survey showed that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. In England 26% of the population had been the victim of violent crime. Australia, who also took guns from its citizens, led the list with 30% of its population being victimized. The US did not even make the list. All types of crime are high in countries where the government has taken the right to carry a gun from its citizens. And who would want to live in a country where the police could not carry guns? I sure wouldn't be bragging about that. And don't get into that tripe about disenfranchised people. These are people who can not handle their anger or some perceived putdown to themselves. One thing that would protect our children is to send all teachers to a top notch gun safety course and teach them practical shooting so that they can stop these shooters before it turns into Columbine or Virginia Tech. An armed teacher at either one of those schools would have saved a lot of lives. The reason the crime rate is low in states that have given their citizens the right to carry a concealed weapon is because the criminals know we are not pushovers like in other countries. If these students knew that the teachers had guns and would not hesitate to protect the kids in their classes, we would see these shootings stop.

 

In reply to these comments. I do not defend the crime statistics, having worked as a pro active Police Officer for all of my career I cared about this on an hourly basis for just over 12 years.  I cannot comment on the US figures for crime, don't you have a real problem in many of your cities with youth gun crime, drive by shootings?  We are seeing the emergence of more guns being around, they come in from Eastern Europe but at the moment we are containing the problem by using specialist firearms teams.

 

 

 

Your solution to train and supply teachers with guns scares the hell out of me, is the problem that bad? Why stop at the teachers why not arm all the students. I had no idea people thought in such a way in the US. It does not seem to me like a mainstream view. Put me down as a coward because I would not want to carry a gun around with me whilst I was at home, I cannot imagine living that way.

 

My main point is that if guns are not so readily available, there would be less incidents.

 

 

 
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November 4, 2007, 9:13 pm PST

Get ur facts right

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Allow me to comment on this. The International Crime Victims Survey showed that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. In England 26% of the population had been the victim of violent crime. Australia, who also took guns from its citizens, led the list with 30% of its population being victimized. The US did not even make the list. All types of crime are high in countries where the government has taken the right to carry a gun from its citizens. And who would want to live in a country where the police could not carry guns? I sure wouldn't be bragging about that. And don't get into that tripe about disenfranchised people. These are people who can not handle their anger or some perceived putdown to themselves. One thing that would protect our children is to send all teachers to a top notch gun safety course and teach them practical shooting so that they can stop these shooters before it turns into Columbine or Virginia Tech. An armed teacher at either one of those schools would have saved a lot of lives. The reason the crime rate is low in states that have given their citizens the right to carry a concealed weapon is because the criminals know we are not pushovers like in other countries. If these students knew that the teachers had guns and would not hesitate to protect the kids in their classes, we would see these shootings stop.

 

I am from australia and would like to speak to the  statistics you quote here. The information you provide comes from The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland. These numbers represent violent crime as a whole and NOT violent crime resulting in murder.
The most recent statistics I found relating to a comparison of world homicide rates in a quick search of the internet were from a report titled "International Comparisons of Criminal Justice Statistics 2000." In this report the data was as follows:
World Homicide Rates per 100,000 population.
5.64  U.S.A.
1.81 Australia.
These numbers clearly show that Australia has a significantly lower homicide rate than the USA.
Australia's strict gun control laws are working to prevent homicides and multiple murders occuring in this country.
The only nations higher than the USA for world homicide rates in 2000 were:
50.14 South Africa
21.40 Russia (1999)
10.00 Lithuania
9.94 Estonia
6.22 Latvia

Australia ranked 19th.

Even if you ignore the statistics, common sense should tell you that one person with a fully loaded firearm is more capable of KILLING one or more people than one person with any other weapon would be.

The idea that many Americans use a document more than 200 years old to justify the idea that "every american citizen has the right to bear arms" is a little ludicrous to those of us watching hundreds of young americans killed every year by those very firearms you hold so dear.

The ready availability of guns in your country makes it possible for sad, depressed, unpopular, mentally ill and plain psychotic people, to take their frustrations out on society with deadly force.

Sure, if someone in Australia wants to kill, they are able to get access to weapons. However, it requires a much greater effort and a lot more time, money and planning, than it does in the US. This means more opportunity for them to be stopped from committing a heinous crime, or indeed to stop themselves.

Sadly, violence has always been and will always be a sad reality in every society around the world. WHATEVER can be done to prevent even one violent act, should be seriously looked into. The old NRA adage that "guns don't kill people. people kill people" is ridiculous. It's people with guns that kill people.

I know this is long but I have one final comment. I realise that there are many Americans who are not supporters of the old school "right to bear arms" philosophy. It is up to you as concerned citizens of a great nation to use your power as voters to make it clear to the potential leaders of you country in the future that you will not accept them taking funding from organisations such as the NRA. The type of influence these kinds of organisations have over government policy undermines the ideal of a government of the people and that government's ability to protect it's citizens in a true and honest fashion. Whether or not YOU as citizens support the NRA should not be relevant to the independant, for the good of all ideal that should be your government.
 


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