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October 17, 2007, 7:40 am PDT

Sexual Predators

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The things we hear on the news sicken me. How can anyone do such terrible things to an innocent child? But on the other hand we need to make sure that these things are true about this person. These accusations can ruin a person's life forever . I know of men that had their ex wives tell their children to lie and say that they were molested by their fathers so they can keep them from seeing the child and right now my grandson is going though the same thing with a stepchild.  I love my grandchildren so much i would probably be in jail right now if someone violated them but i would want to be sure before i would see someone go though all that and be innocent.
  Let me tell you that this is so sick...I was molested when i was 16 so I know how it feels but I dont know how it feels for a 3 yr old to get it done to her..to me that is just sickning to my stomach. I have 3 children and I'm sorry for saying this but..I would hurt someone over my kids....I was reding in our little newspaper yesterday and they have a school teacher who made front page for having wrongful conversation with kids..now he is employed with our school system and I know for fact that they have to do background checks but the problem with this is that when he came from wherever he did not register his name as a sex offender so it slipped through the cracks..we as parents cannot have things of that importance falling through the cracks just think if it was your child...thats bad ...that just shows how things just slip in our system as well as our government.....
 

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October 17, 2007, 8:26 am PDT

10/17 Sexual Predators?

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The things we hear on the news sicken me. How can anyone do such terrible things to an innocent child? But on the other hand we need to make sure that these things are true about this person. These accusations can ruin a person's life forever . I know of men that had their ex wives tell their children to lie and say that they were molested by their fathers so they can keep them from seeing the child and right now my grandson is going though the same thing with a stepchild.  I love my grandchildren so much i would probably be in jail right now if someone violated them but i would want to be sure before i would see someone go though all that and be innocent.
This time he was stupid enough to to prove to the world what he is and what he did on VIDEO! Doesn't seem to me to be any false accusation here! DUH!
 
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October 17, 2007, 8:50 am PDT

how does this come about?

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The things we hear on the news sicken me. How can anyone do such terrible things to an innocent child? But on the other hand we need to make sure that these things are true about this person. These accusations can ruin a person's life forever . I know of men that had their ex wives tell their children to lie and say that they were molested by their fathers so they can keep them from seeing the child and right now my grandson is going though the same thing with a stepchild.  I love my grandchildren so much i would probably be in jail right now if someone violated them but i would want to be sure before i would see someone go though all that and be innocent.
 yes, it is heartening to see that people still want to make sure the person accused actually is guilty of the alleged offense...it's also heartening to see some people posting here have asked the very question, how do people come to be such perpetrators, one alluding to the fact that in many, but not all, cases of pedophilia, the "perp" is also a victim of this...so we hold them accountable for coming to the wrong conclusion, that is, as long as one goes around as a perpetual victim (the idea that one can NEVER recover from sexual assault) that's ok, but if you act on it, well, of course society has to reach out and stop it.  well, how does "society" contain the seeds of this kind of crime in the first place? if even perpetrators were once innocent children who lost their innocence, obviously, if that is the root of the problem. 
Some people here are calling for capital punishment for this kind of crime...oh really???...i believe that anyone who advocates  capital punishment should NOT expect society to carry out the penalty on their behalf, that is, if one is ready to advocate putting another person to death, one should be ready to do the act themselves, that is, perhaps there should be a lottery system for "executioner" just like there is for jury duty.  If you can't go through with it, i would assert that your advocacy for capital punishment is all talk. the reason i say this is that I believe one should really think it through, is death penalty really a solution?  if it is, who carries it out?  well, the state-paid executioner, of course...in other words, the way to solve a problem, society says, is to kill.  Hmmm, seems to me in the totalitarian states of days of yore, such as England, 300 or 400 years ago, it was a capital offense to even steal a loaf of bread when you were hungry...well, what about the people who opposed that?  were they "soft" on hunger? that is, obviously the root of the problem is a lot deeper than eliminating the perpetrator.   Same with "castration" as a punishment.  if you can't carry out the deed of taking the guys balls yourself, then don't recommend that the "state" should do it on your behalf.  and remember, just because someone can't "get it up" does not mean that he can't go around sexually assaulting people...maybe we should remove the defining term "sexual" and just call it assault, that is, if someone beats someone up but doesn't touch their genitals then it's not as terrible an assault? come on!!! 
So, just to remind you all, just because I raise the "spectre" of "innocent until proven guilty" does not mean that i am "soft" on child abusers.  but it would be a terrible society indeed, if all that is needed is an allegation to put a person away, or worse, down. Remember the case in south of England where a pediatrician was murdered by members of his community because they misunderstood and thought pediatrician meant pedophile.  is this a true story or urban legend?  i think pedophile is a badly formed word anyway, since "phile" means to love, as in Philanthropist, so why not, misoped, or something that implies hatred of children instead, for how can someone who truly loves children harm them by violating their boundaries so profoundly?
finally, i have heard it argued that sexual predators are "sick", that is, they can't be cured of their "illness" or "disease"....well, if we are calling for criminal punishment for a sickness, then next time someone has any other kind of illness, off to jail they go!  Well it's not the first time it has happened in society, after all, as short a time ago as 100 years, society would isolate people sick with leprosy, into far away places, and basically, a death sentence, as society would not assist them in any way.  I have heard people adamantly arguing that pedo"philes" are "sick"....well, why punish someone if they really, genuinely, are "sick"....i am challenging the idea that behaviour can be called a "sickness", you know. 


 
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October 17, 2007, 1:01 pm PDT

You have got to be kidding!!

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The things we hear on the news sicken me. How can anyone do such terrible things to an innocent child? But on the other hand we need to make sure that these things are true about this person. These accusations can ruin a person's life forever . I know of men that had their ex wives tell their children to lie and say that they were molested by their fathers so they can keep them from seeing the child and right now my grandson is going though the same thing with a stepchild.  I love my grandchildren so much i would probably be in jail right now if someone violated them but i would want to be sure before i would see someone go though all that and be innocent.
This perv was so proud of what he was doing that he actually video taped it.. and I'm sure it was to share with his buddies!! Where have 'you' been... didn't you see the news report on this ?  There is no doubt that 'this' person did 'this' crime, this is not a case where there is any doubt.  I am aware of cases that you are referring to and this is not one of them... you talk about your love for your grandchildren... if it was your grandchild in that video would you doubt his innocence?
 
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October 17, 2007, 4:35 pm PDT

Sometimes its in your family

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The things we hear on the news sicken me. How can anyone do such terrible things to an innocent child? But on the other hand we need to make sure that these things are true about this person. These accusations can ruin a person's life forever . I know of men that had their ex wives tell their children to lie and say that they were molested by their fathers so they can keep them from seeing the child and right now my grandson is going though the same thing with a stepchild.  I love my grandchildren so much i would probably be in jail right now if someone violated them but i would want to be sure before i would see someone go though all that and be innocent.
Sometimes it's in your own family and if you've held this secret for 34 years and even your own mother doesn't know, maybe it's better left unsaid becuase now the only person who will ever be affected by this is you.  Not your daughter because you've made sure that nothing like that ever happened to her in her life.
 

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October 17, 2007, 10:42 pm PDT

10/17 Sexual Predators?

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The things we hear on the news sicken me. How can anyone do such terrible things to an innocent child? But on the other hand we need to make sure that these things are true about this person. These accusations can ruin a person's life forever . I know of men that had their ex wives tell their children to lie and say that they were molested by their fathers so they can keep them from seeing the child and right now my grandson is going though the same thing with a stepchild.  I love my grandchildren so much i would probably be in jail right now if someone violated them but i would want to be sure before i would see someone go though all that and be innocent.
I agree--it is a horrible thing to wrongly accuse someone of molestation and/or rape of a child, whether in child custody cases or other situations.  But in this case, it is my understanding that this abominable act was recorded, thus revealed/learned, and how he was identified and finally caught.
 
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October 18, 2007, 2:03 pm PDT

How can You Really Be Sure?

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The things we hear on the news sicken me. How can anyone do such terrible things to an innocent child? But on the other hand we need to make sure that these things are true about this person. These accusations can ruin a person's life forever . I know of men that had their ex wives tell their children to lie and say that they were molested by their fathers so they can keep them from seeing the child and right now my grandson is going though the same thing with a stepchild.  I love my grandchildren so much i would probably be in jail right now if someone violated them but i would want to be sure before i would see someone go though all that and be innocent.

I fully agree with you in that there are sick, cruel and evil people who WILL encourage their children to lie, even about something as repulsive as this.  In my opinion, they are no better than the pedophiles.  They are, however, the defense attorney's dream come true. Without physical evidence, an independent witness, or, a video tape...well, short of a confession, there's the defense...the mother coached them.  That was played against me, the defense said I could have coached them...not even at trial...there was none.  There was no Grand Jury either...an arrest, an indictment, he met bail...and my children, my husband and I went through 6 months of hell, only for a dismissal...could not prove the case.

What is one to do?  It has been 7 years, and I still don't know the answer.  I believed my children then, and do so till this day.  Without ever SEEING it, or suspecting anything, I'm as sure as one can be...but can I prove it?  No!  Did I coach them?  NO!  But, can I prove to anyone that I did not?  Again, NO!!

People seem to think that all child molestation can be seen by the mother..."don't you bathe them? " Well, in our case, it was oral sex...my 10 year old boy could accurately descibe the taste, texture, process of emission, and temperature of sperm...how could he know this?  How could you see it?  Same with my 12 year old daughter...how could she know?  Well, I could have drilled it into them...I did not...but how can I prove that?  My history was clean, never accused anyone of anything...never called the police in 46 years of my life...not one police report...so I had no negative background.  My children were never in trouble, well behaved, top students, no fights, no tattling in school.  They had a pretty good past, but it's not enough.  My husband never had an incident with the police, short of reporting his license plates stolen....the police even found them, so his hands were clean.  Not clean enough.  He was also the inferred abuser...the kids could be naming someone else to protect their father...They were evaluated by a therapist...I went to a specialist in the field...his opinion, it happened, and was done by whom they said...operative word being opinion, expert opinion, yet he could not testify beyond that...he saw nothing.  He did treat them, he holds a license in our State without a blemish for 25 years, but his evaluation of their progress was again, his opinion.

It is obvious to me that our whole system needs an overhaul in the legal process of sexual abuse of children.  If your case is too weak, why can't the D.A. just tell you that?  Why bring in Childrens' Services to make in home visits, why re-interview young children multiple times, if there is slim hope to convict.  That, too is as cruel and evil as the false allegations, or the acts of the pedophile....these are children...not hardened criminals.  Parents bringing their children to a therapist and reporting are also very vulnerable...it's horrid, it's heartbraking....do decent parents deserve that?  In seeking justice for what I believed to be a henious crime, I lost all respect for the system.  Worse than that, so did my children...at 17 and 19, they fear the law, just do not trust it.  That's a hell of an outcome, yet it happens all too often.  I cannot buy into this mindset that tells us we must report to save others.  Who did we save?  The creep went on to have 2 little girls of his own, he lost nothing, but the lawyer's fee...and that served no purpose of benefit to anyone, other than to the lawyer's bank book.  Sorry, but I resent having my children further exploited to fund a defense attorney....and that is ALL it did.  Yet, as you have pointed out...you HAVE to be sure, and there HAS to be evidence, to protect the innocent.  So how about getting into some serious lobbying to amend these mandated reporting laws?  We can't, nor would we want to, erase reasonable doubt as a criteria for guilt...we cannot lower the burden of proof.  So why not lower the burden to the victims and to their families?  Don't give us this false hope of a case being a slam dunk, when you know damn well it's not?  Why force reporting on to professionals when in the final analysis, their opinion holds very little water?  IF there is an accusation made concerning a person having access to  the child/ren, or if the children state the abuse to be ongoing, then, yes, by all means, report...better to error on the side of caution.  However, when it's been kept a "SPECIAL SECRET"...and the person no longer is permitted in the home, why not let the children heal, in peace, minus the dog and pony show, that can do nothing but cause more problems.  My opinion, if it can't get to a jury, then it should not be reported.  IF law enforcement can guarentee a trial for a report, that's fair.  When that day comes, I'll change my mind about reporting.  Until then, there are times where it serves no purpose...Had we been given a trial, the jury would have been the last word....I can accept that.  When you do the right thing, and are denied your day in court, exactly for the reasons you have brought forth, then it becomes the wrong thing...The system is flawed.  This was long silenced, and with the good coming from opening it up, there comes the bad...that being the scum who play the cards to get even with another, or to score points in a divorce.  Because the "open ness" is relatively new, the system doesn't know what to do with it.  Unless they figure it out, I predict this going back into the dark ages of keeping quiet.  If mandated reporting is not modified to truly be "in the best interest of the child", victims will be denied much needed treatment...EVERYONE who knows of my case has said they'd NEVER put their children or themselves through that, only to get nothing..no Grand Jury, no trial...just a real circus at the expense of two young kids...kids I believe to be telling the truth....the unproven truth.

 


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