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November 25, 2007, 12:53 am PST

I know many Muslims also

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Nothing that was said was untrue. I know many muslims also and what she said is true. Love is not a part of their culture, at least not as far as marriage is concerned. Even in family it isn't as strong as in the US. You won't see an American give his son an AK-47 and tell him to run out in the street shooting every American he sees until he is killed himself. In Islam women are just possessions and easily replaced for a few camels or a pack of cigarettes. I mean, give me a break, you don't really defend the actions of such a people do you?
Well thats amazing since I am sure I know more Muslims than you do , and many I know love thier spouses alot, many married for love and so on. The fact is just becuase as a Muslim you dont do the dating thing you can still marry for love. And look around you the "dating " thing is  not working so well here in USA. I think you watch too much Fox News so perhaps  you should also look in your own front yard so to speak because we do have severe problems here in USA with American kids and guns, its called gang violence and its growing. The other problem I have with your statement is that women are NOT a possesion in any muslim marriage I know of, most women almost run the house actually. However there are problems in many countries in middle east and elsewhere with womens rights and that is wrong. However before you can talk of that look at USA where domestic violence is on the rise, and the men shooting thier wives are white males. So before you spout your hatred look around to your own.
 
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November 25, 2007, 4:31 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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Nothing that was said was untrue. I know many muslims also and what she said is true. Love is not a part of their culture, at least not as far as marriage is concerned. Even in family it isn't as strong as in the US. You won't see an American give his son an AK-47 and tell him to run out in the street shooting every American he sees until he is killed himself. In Islam women are just possessions and easily replaced for a few camels or a pack of cigarettes. I mean, give me a break, you don't really defend the actions of such a people do you?
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Mate, If your land was being stolen and family being slaughterd, your community being torn apart, You would want to kill every dirty stinking isralie soldier who is taking part in this mass ethnic cleansing program the zionists have going on in PALESTINE! Its called SELF DEFFENCE!

As far as women's rights are in islam... You have no idea. Women are not just ppsessions. I should know.I am a muslim woman married to a PALESTINIAN man who threats me like a queen. Would never even look at another woman the wrong way, who would never question me as to where i have spent my money, Why? Cause in islam my money belongs to ME and he has no right to it, Also HIS money is his AND MINE so in actual fact he only has rights to a quater of the money.

He wont raise his voise at me, why?? Because in islam we should not get angry. The one who angers you controls you!..

I control the mood in the house, If im upset then the whole house is...

Women have such a big role to play, We have so many rights,

In islam we should love our mothers 3 times more than we love our fathers!

Not harming one’s wife.
 


 

This is one of the basic principles of Islam. Because harming others is haraam in the case of strangers, it is even more so in the case of harming one’s wife. 



There is nothing in any other religion, nation or law that can compare to the honour which woman gains in Islam. The Roman civilization decreed that woman was a slave who belonged to man, and had no rights at all. In Rome a major synod met to discuss the case of woman, and decided that she was a being who had no soul, and that therefore she would not inherit life in the Hereafter, and that she was evil.  

In Athens women were regarded as chattels; they were bought and sold, and were regarded as evil, the handiwork of the devil.  

The ancient laws of India state that disease, death, Hell, snake venom and fire were all better than woman. Her right to life came to an end when her husband’s – or master’s – life ended. When she saw his body burning she would throw herself into the flames; if she did not do so, she would be subject to curses.  

With regard to woman in Judaism, the ruling on her in the Old Testament is as follows:  

“So I turned my mind to understand, 

to investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things 

and to understand the stupidity of wickedness  

and the madness of folly. 

I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, 

whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains…” 

(Ecclesiastes 7:25-26 – New International Version)  

It is known that the Old Testament is venerated and believed by both Jews and Christians.  

This was the situation of woman in ancient times. With regard to her situation in the Middle Ages and in modern times, this will be explained by the following:  

The Danish writer Wieth Kordsten explained the view of the Catholic Church towards women. He said: “During the Middle Ages very little care was given to women, following the teaching of the Catholic church which regarded woman as a second class creation.” In France, a council in 586 CE decided to research the case of woman and whether she was to be counted as human or not. After some discussion, they decided that woman was human, but she was created to serve man.  

The 217th clause of the French law states the following: “A married woman – even if her marriage is based on the condition of separating what belongs to her and what belongs to her husband – is not permitted to give anything as a gift or to transfer any of her property or use it as collateral, or to take possession of anything whether in return for payment or otherwise, without her husband being a party to the contract or agreeing to it in writing.”  

In England, Henry VIII forbade the English woman to read the Bible. Until 1850 CE women were not counted as citizens, and until 1882 CE they did not have any personal rights.  

(Silsilat Maqaarinah al-Adyaan, by Dr. Ahmad Shalaby, vol. 3, p. 210-213)  

As for contemporary woman in Europe, America and other industrial nations, she is a creature which is degraded and abused for commercial purposes. She is a feature of advertising campaigns, and things have reached a stage where she takes off her clothes in order to advertise products on posters, and she sells and displays her body according to systems devised by men, so that she is no more than an object of pleasure for them in every place.   

Woman is cared for so long as she is able to give and contribute physically or mentally. When she becomes old and cannot give any more, society – individuals and institutions – forsakes her and she lives alone in her house or in a mental hospital.  

Compare this – and there is no comparison – with the teachings of the Noble Qur’aan, in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):  

“The believers, men and women, are Awliya’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another” 

[al-Tawbah 9:71]  

“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable” 

[al-Baqarah 2:228]  

“And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honour. 

And lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: ‘My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was young’” 

[al-Isra’ 17:23-24]  

Since her Lord has honoured her in this way, it is clear to all of mankind that He has created her to be a mother, a wife, a daughter and a sister, so He prescribed laws which apply exclusively to women and not men.
 


 

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Why does america like to be in people's faces all the time??.. 


 

America has killed more people than anyother country with your wars and supplying guns and god knows what to so many other countries in the world!. 


 

You wonder why people hate you!
 


 
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November 25, 2007, 4:53 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

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Nothing that was said was untrue. I know many muslims also and what she said is true. Love is not a part of their culture, at least not as far as marriage is concerned. Even in family it isn't as strong as in the US. You won't see an American give his son an AK-47 and tell him to run out in the street shooting every American he sees until he is killed himself. In Islam women are just possessions and easily replaced for a few camels or a pack of cigarettes. I mean, give me a break, you don't really defend the actions of such a people do you?
oh forgot to say.... You people sure make it easy to obtain guns and go on shooting spree's killing your calssmates...

This country needs to fix it's self before attacking others!...

Oh thats right, Your govt is more fixated on stealing oil than helping it's own people!

Grow up!
 
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November 27, 2007, 11:03 am PST

Both happen

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Nothing that was said was untrue. I know many muslims also and what she said is true. Love is not a part of their culture, at least not as far as marriage is concerned. Even in family it isn't as strong as in the US. You won't see an American give his son an AK-47 and tell him to run out in the street shooting every American he sees until he is killed himself. In Islam women are just possessions and easily replaced for a few camels or a pack of cigarettes. I mean, give me a break, you don't really defend the actions of such a people do you?
 Love and arranged.  It's sad to see the arranged, but life is not black and white.

Americans give their "sons" - the men and women in the military - the same responsibility you just named: to run out in the street shooting until they are shot themselves.
 


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