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February 15, 2008, 5:37 pm PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

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1 Timothy 5:8

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

 

I am sorry, but if these people are being led, they are not being led by what God has said in his word.  I don't believe God leads people contrary to what the Bible says.

 

I didn't say this . . . God said it . . . this man (Dan) has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.  I don't know how God judges the wife Janna, except . . . 

Romans 14:12

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

 

I am concerned for the children's sake.

Lady

 

 

I totally agree. I always say "the Lord loves a working man!"

 
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February 16, 2008, 9:42 am PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

Quote From: ladyrybs

1 Timothy 5:8

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

 

I am sorry, but if these people are being led, they are not being led by what God has said in his word.  I don't believe God leads people contrary to what the Bible says.

 

I didn't say this . . . God said it . . . this man (Dan) has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.  I don't know how God judges the wife Janna, except . . . 

Romans 14:12

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

 

I am concerned for the children's sake.

Lady

 

 

I wonder, while Dan was reading about how worthless wealth will be in the end, did he ever head over to Proverbs where it often states that a man who won't work and support his family is a disgrace to his parents? Has Jana ever read Proverbs 31? Maybe while he's breeding fish in the swimming pool and turning the garage into a greenhouse he could watch the kids while she does something productive.

But more to the point, I see them going on their feelings and not much testing about where those feelings are coming from. I don't see them comparing their feelings to the scriptures to determine how they match up. Feelings are transient as evidenced by Dan's numerous ventures. If his feelings are really consistent with God's will wouldn't something have panned out by now?

Dr. Phil is right, they cherry-pick the scriptures that suit them and ignore the inconvenient ones.
 
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July 17, 2008, 5:40 pm PDT

07/17 Living on a Prayer

Quote From: ladyrybs

1 Timothy 5:8

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

 

I am sorry, but if these people are being led, they are not being led by what God has said in his word.  I don't believe God leads people contrary to what the Bible says.

 

I didn't say this . . . God said it . . . this man (Dan) has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.  I don't know how God judges the wife Janna, except . . . 

Romans 14:12

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

 

I am concerned for the children's sake.

Lady

 

 

if any do not provide for his own and especially for his own house and denied the faith he is worse than an infidel.    

i feel sorry for the kids in this family.  does he not realize that God is going to provide a good job for him to support his family if only he would go and apply for and interview for and get the job and start supporting his family!  how dare him do this to his innocent children.    these 2 peas in a pod  need to get their act together and help their children have a decent childhood.  not like they are living now.   my husband left me and my three boys when i had a stroke and was in a coma for three days.  unbenounced to me, he had been having an affair with a rich woman that he had met online.  he brought me home from the hospital, packed up and moved from alabama to orlando.  he paid child support a couple of months and then quit.  he owes me thousands in back child support.  he lives in a 400k house drives a new car an tripping the life fantastic.  he also serves as a chauffeur to his girlfriends young daughter driving her back and forth from orlando to louisville, ky to visit his girlfriends mother. while he has been doing this for the past seven years, i was left support our three kids after coming home from a stoke/coma, trying to recover from the stroke,  but with God's help  listen up dan He helped me go back to college and i graduated with honors with my oldest son and we were picked out of all the graduates to be honored at graduation.   my son and i and four other people were chosen to be honored,  then my health started going down and now i am in renal failure chronic and i have to go to dialysis three days a week on a gurney in an ambulance.  when i was trying to go to drs in birmingham before i got incapacitated, i would have to drive to birmingham by myself while my exhusband was chauffering his girlfriends young daughter from orlando to kentucky.  it hurts and hurts.  the damage to the boys was bad.  but God swooped in and helped us all.  my oldest son had just started college and now he has his masters in history and is teaching and coaching and is going for his education specialist and is married to a beautiful girl and have a dog named chip.  my middle son david earned a full ride football scholarship to UAB and played for five years and got his BA in info man. with computers and has a great consulting job.  youngest son in and out of college and works full time in food service.  he took over the aot that i moved out of to go into the nursing home.  we lost our home when their dad quit paying child support.  also, my middle son was 16 and had to drive his brother and hisself to  school and insurance is mandatory so when i finally got my SSI  it was 500 a month i paid 85 dollars a month to pay for the truck insurance and i paid this for 2 years until he could get to college where he took it over.  and the kicker?  while i was doing this their dad was paying insurance on a broken down needs work on  18 year old 1200cc kawasaki motorcycle.  i am bedridden but i praise God that i am alive i would rather be in this shape that out and running around and not saved, because when i take my last breath i will be STANDING in front of the Lord Jesus and i can't wait to run full throttle toward Him to hug Him and tell Him how much I love Him!  in sept. i will celebrate 2 years of being told i had 6 months to a year to live. 

Phil:  4:13  i can do all things thru Christ who strengthens me

sincerely,

In Christ,

teresa

ps  the minister from the dream center is fantastic! 

 
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July 25, 2008, 9:39 am PDT

Cognitive Dissonance

Quote From: ladyrybs

1 Timothy 5:8

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

 

I am sorry, but if these people are being led, they are not being led by what God has said in his word.  I don't believe God leads people contrary to what the Bible says.

 

I didn't say this . . . God said it . . . this man (Dan) has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.  I don't know how God judges the wife Janna, except . . . 

Romans 14:12

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

 

I am concerned for the children's sake.

Lady

 

 

I'm not saying that this man shouldn't get a job, because he should. And I'm not saying the bible doesn't say that a man is not required to provide for his family, because it does; but just not a 1 Timothy 5:8. This is without question the first and foremost verse that people use to support such a view. But if you read the context, it's not talking about a husband's responsibility at all. It's talking about provision for widows AFTER the husband is dead for goodness sakes ! The person or persons this passage is talking about are the widow's children and/or grandchildren who do not provide for their widowed mother and/or grandmother. THEY are the ones who are worse than infidels if they do not provide for their widowed mother and/or grandmother. And certainly not the deceased husband. Because afterall he's dead already. So how can he be worse than an infidel for not providing for his family from beyond the grave ?  The context is clear as the difference between night and day. And anyone who disagrees is obviously suffering from cognitive dissonance.
 


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