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February 11, 2008, 4:15 am PST

02/14 Lies and Betrayal

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
Good point.
 

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February 13, 2008, 11:08 am PST

02/14 Lies and Betrayal

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
IMO, yes. I believe that's why those things are no longer admissible. They're just not fully reliable.
 
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February 14, 2008, 2:22 pm PST

02/14 Lies and Betrayal

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
Pathological Liar    Definition:    a person who lies to the point of it being considered a disease or condition, an abnormally habitual liar

 

You are mistaking delusional psychosis with pathology. If he is a pathological liar (which it is obvious he is), then he will lie and know he's lying but not care. I'd describe this guy as a sociopath/Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is "a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood." This man has no regard for hurting others and doesn't really care about the damage he's doing. He appears to only have regard for his own needs and/or desires. He KNEW he was lying, because he changed his story when he got cornered, and he also, once cornered, found a new lie to claim that would allow him to avoid answering further questions. When he was cornered by Dr. Phil again, he made the excuse of being mistreated to completely walk away from the children he was so adament about protecting. He KNEW he was lying. so there's no way he is delusional by believing his lies. I hope that his wife gets LOTS of counseling, and I pray that God protects her and her children from violence at the hands of this man. I truly did find him to be one of the more frightening people I've ever seen on this show.

 
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February 14, 2008, 4:38 pm PST

i have heard patho's can pass the test

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
did u notice he asked the examiner to give him a question and let him see what the test said. ;He was trying to see if he could beat it before taking the test.
 
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February 15, 2008, 9:36 am PST

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
But he failed the test miserably!!  He was  aggitated from the moment he got there because the test was not going to be run according to what he wanted.  This man feels he can manipulate everyone around him.
 
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February 15, 2008, 5:54 pm PST

Unbelievable!

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
 This man was really scary. I watched the show twice because I could not believe how he could lie as well as breathe! He looked like a scum bag, it was obvious that he had been drinking. I believe he is a sociopath. I hope he reads all these comments about him. I am a medical professional and I think he is in need of serious, involuntary psychological help. How did this poor woman got sucked into his lies and stayed for so long, I will never understand. He is really good con artist. Also the unfortunate couple that got sucked into his lies. I believe he is a danger to society.

I loved it when Dr. Phil called him on his baloney and that is when he really got angry. Interesting. I have a situation that I think needs Dr. Phil's intervention and I am so glad he was able to intervene in this one. I am sure this guy believes his own lies, a lot of people like him seem to.

This man probably could have ended up killing his wife and the children, he is so sick. I hope the show brought an end to the marriage for their sake. How does a person get to this point in their lives and why do people fall for it?
 
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February 16, 2008, 6:48 am PST

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
But he did not pass the lie detector test.   I doubt that Matt is "clinical" pathological liar. I think  he's just your common criminal con-artist, with absolutely no conscience.
 
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February 21, 2008, 2:16 pm PST

What?

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
I have one word for you!  DUH!
 
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March 8, 2008, 7:25 pm PST

02/14 Lies and Betrayal

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
I don't think so. That's just what nice people would want to think because it's hard to imagine someone being such a bold liar.  I think it's more likely that he has had such success with lying that he believes he can't be found out.  After all, lies usually come down to a he-said/she-said situation where it's difficult to prove what the truth might be.  People who can see right through him have nothing to do with him, but those people who by nature are more trusting just don't feel comfortable challenging him, even if they have suspicions.  This guy takes advantage of a person's desire to avoid conflict by never backing down and by making claims and statements that the average person can't or won't bother verifying. Have you ever run into a situation where someone makes a claim that you don't feel is right, but you don't have the expertise or knowledge to really argue the point? (A common tactic with less-than-honest car mechanics, for example.) Matt obviously is very practiced at that.  He will argue with you, use terminology or "facts" that you probably don't have enough information to argue against, try to deflect you from the topic, make denials that put the burden of proof on you, and if he senses that you really do have the upperhand, he'll just cut you out of his life and move on to someone who's more gullible/naive/trusting.  This guy doesn't think he needs help because he knows that there will always be someone else out there with a soft heart and a fear of confrontation who will take him in.
 
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July 20, 2008, 7:02 am PDT

07/21 Lies and Betrayal

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.

I feel sorry for Elizabeth too. I too was a victim of meeting someone who turned out to be everything he made himself out to be. In results to that I have lost my home and finally got away from all the mental abuse he put me through. Right now I face foreclosure because of the love is blind type of crap.Whe the threat of someone going to kill you if they don't get their own way is a very strong clue to get ta hell out of there. So I packed up my son and my dog and got out of there. I still know he is using drugs because he don't pay his bills when this is going on. It is a long complicated situtation and if there was anything I could do to finally stop him I would do it. I only pray for him. That is about all I can do. Don't let the lies catch up with you Elizabeth. Always stay one step ahead of them. Once you are with someone that long you learn what their next step is before they even do lol. I am having to start all over again and have great friends so we are not totally homeless. I am just losing a home and my son had to start in a new school in his senior year. My son was not happy but he is safe from all that abuse. I will pray for you too elizabeth. Being with people like that is not ever easy to deal with. Take Care and God Bless Sassyrm

 


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