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March 1, 2008, 9:20 am PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

 

    Life is tough enough without adding adult decisions before you are one.  If virginity is a choice, it should be a private choice.  Swearing in public to remain a virgin until marriage . . . is tactless and distasteful. 

     You are right.  Fundamentalists do not take this kind of information, well.   They tend to forget that Christ himself said, "Go, and sin no more."  And worse, some of them forget the passage "judge not, least ye be judged."

      My mother dragged my sister into the guidance office with the girls in my class.  She knew that I had ceased to be a virgin when I was 17.  My mother proclaimed this before my classmates.  She also proclaimed that my younger sister was not the "same kind of girl" that I was.  My sister was a sweet, pure little virgin.  She would never do anything wrong.

      And, my mother went on and on and on and on and on.  It was her Christian duty.

 

     

 
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March 1, 2008, 2:45 pm PST

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

hello someone need to have a long talk with teens having sex too soon because i see female having sex with male over age
 
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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

I agree with you. There does need to be a class that teaches children about sex, and there body's. I think it should start in 4th grade. Also they should teach about stranger's, how they try to kidnap. And how pedophiles lower, and threaten kid's.

I think it should be a class EVERYONE takes. Today there's too many people who abuse kid's, and they should have the power to make it stop.

 
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March 3, 2008, 1:23 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

Teen sex wouldnt be the rule if you didn't just hand them birth control. Its one thing to educate them and anouther to pass out birthcontrol to children so the can have sex. Before birth control was passed out in schools there were a few girls that had sex and had babies before they married. Now that the schools have been pass it out  about half the girls here are unwed mothers and a lot of there children have different fathers.

 

  There are two different things with this topic. one rather or not schools should pass out birthcontrol. The other is to swear in public that you will remain a virgin.  I do not believe school should pass it out but I also dont believer they should have students stand up in public and swear either.  

 
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03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

I agree on that one. Trying to keep someone away from something like sex is only going to spark curiosity. Going to make someone want it more. Talking about it with a fundamentalist (I've discovered personally) only leads to a big religious discussion loaded with opinions and no facts. The belief that you'll go to Hell for pre-marital sex is a matter of personal opinion that cannot be solidly proven, no matter what book you read it from. Teens don't need to be fed religious dogmas, they need to be given the facts that can be and have been solidly proven.
 
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03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

I believe at the end of the show the pastor said the "ideal " would be abstinence, but he also added you clearly have to educate your children also about sex. He did not say it should be only abstinence being taught.
 
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03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

In an era ruled by the internet and television, do you really think that kids are lacking information about sex?  Perhaps it is the lack of social integrity that has kids confused about sexual health.  If one person says that sex is beautiful and healthy within the confines of marriage, and another says you’re good to go with birth control, which do you think an egocentric teenager is going to accept as factual?

 
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Human Anatomy & Growth rather than sex ed

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

Background info: I was an educator in grades k6 through 12 in both public schools and nonprofit. I left to raise my children & run businesses from home.

 

It is definitely the parent's responsibility to teach their children or young adults about sex if they want control over the information. I would not want my daughter taught about her morals, sex, or any other major decision by public schools.

 

Knowledge is not protection though if it is from the mouth of fools. Wrong information can be deadly and is harmful at the least. For instance, CONDOMS HARDLY PROTECT AT ALL FROM HERPES. And genital herpes is a miserable thing for many women and some men, and the dead, brain damaged, or blind babies exposed to it in the birth canal of women who do not even know they were infected. One reason they did not know, because they used condoms and because when you get tested for "all" the stds at your ob/gyn or planned parenthood or even the military - they do not screen for herpes 1 or 2. You have to request these, many times pay extra, to get them done.

 

Info is not control nor is control empowerment. True empowerment comes from knowing our value in God's eyes which would prevent people from wanting to share themselves with "renters" whether one night stands or long term '"renters." Another word for non-committing type - users. If we accept Jesus and abide by his commandments & get filled with the Holy Spirit - then we will be set free from every bondage (including sexual addictions) and have self control which is a fruit of the spirit. We will also have love, another fruit, and then it would be easier and less heated to talk about these issues.

 

STDs ARE NOT preventable with condoms. The only way to guarantee to your spouse that you are disease free is to be a virgin. And the only way to remain STD free after marriage is if both people remain faithful. For more information on this, look into my profile and view an in-depth post about how condoms DO NOT work against herpes.

 

Maybe students need to take a human anatomy & growth/development course. This course should not focus on sex but instead educate on the facts about brain development, decision making at different ages, conception, pregnancy, growth of a baby, delivery (why not show an actual delivery? Or three of them (water birth, with pain meds, premature/emergency birth) so they can see that yes, they all hurt!), and also the course could include pictures and images of diseases from sex. Maybe some interviews of people burdened with the consequences of diseases (like the man I mentioned in my other post who found out he had Herpes after marrying and maybe have infected 40+ other women in his lifetime who regrets having sex with anyone but his wife. BYW - they must use condoms forever and it is not guaranteed that she will not contract his herpes because it is at the base of his penis therefore not covered by the condom - and BTW Herpes is spread-able even when no outbreaks are apparent due to shedding). Even better, maybe some people might be willing to go into the schools and talk to the kids.

 

There is a group of young people who are virgins who are part of a program that goes into the public schools and talks to kids here through the Grace House - these type of organization can be contacted and found online. At the nonprofit I worked for, a young lady came in every year who had AIDs to talk the students - this was Pace Center for Girls.

 

I think that people sharing & being proud of the fact they are choosing to be virgins is great because one of the rumors in the schools that many boys use to coax girls is "everybody is doing it" and "if you don't, she will." Sometimes when people swear things publicly, they are more true to their word also.

 

Students graduating today are fairly ignorant in many things that matter including morals, good decision making, planning, finance, raising a family, communication skills, conflict resolutions, and more. Schools in Florida spend lots of time teaching about the life and reproduction cycles of cells to EVERY student and no time for life cycle & reproduction & diseases of humans. A nutrition class might be helpful, not just what needs to be eaten but how to decipher the ingredients so you know what is going to kill you early or make you overweight.

 

My last position as a teacher was in computers (an elective) and I also was hired to instruct the instructors to integrate technology into their curriculum for our county (60,000 at the time - I think Fl 3rd largest school system but I might be wrong or out of date now). I used to also tie in making things relevant - it took more work for the teachers to do but the students were more interested. Like instead of just teaching polynomials relate it to Mendel genetics - both algebra and learning science - that is relevant and interesting. In computers, instead of using the plain Jane curriculum where they did "fake" things, fake memos, types useless word combos... I had them make websites that were "real" and relevant to businesses or for informing (how to make goals, my goals are, how to make a business, writing a thank you, and pages with relevant info on diseases, colleges, jobs, how to invest and plan for retirement, etc).

 

My point is this… my students when they left my class were educated in how to make decisions. For instance, a new principal wanted to change the school colors and gave my students a choice of color. The graduates of my elective all wanted to instead petition to use the thousands of dollars that the change would cost (it required new paint for the lockers, jacket, uniforms, paper, etc) instead for supplying laptops for school in almost all classes. We need to have our young people learn how to make good decisions like this and keep applying sound principles. My principal was actually upset at my students for their brilliant idea. It was sound and made more sense. He changed the colors anyway despite their petition for a better use of funds.

 

These students were prepared to make good decisions. When I instructed teachers, we knew that 15 to 30% of teachers (mostly tenured) would not want to make any changes to make things better. So teacher tenure sometimes makes them less flexible. However, other tenured teachers use their time after tenure to become more excellent educators so throwing tenure out is not a good idea either (maybe some kind of bonus plan would be better). It is hard to find good instructors. Instructors who are excellent are well ground morally which makes them stable, they are humble (usually a TRUE Christian following Christ) so they have a teachable spirit), and they are truly loving because they are willing to instruct their students in such a way that it allows the student the possibility to have a better life than the teacher might have once both are armed with new information.

 

In my experience meeting and working with thousands of teachers in my career, those who fit this description are a special find. I have met a lot of teachers who are not happy, boxed in by their education degree, tenure, or retirement plan, and who really do not want to see their students succeed beyond wherever they made it to.

 

The wrong teacher teaching a sex education class would be an absolute disaster! Can you imagine a sex education teacher telling students how great an orgasm feels and handing out a condom to each student so they can have one "just in case" they get in a situation where they want to experience it? At a middle school where I was employed, there was a young male Math teacher who talked to his students about how sex was for the sexually active ones and another Math teacher threw a chair across the classroom- yes, they eventually got in trouble & I believe left teaching but the damage they did to their students minds before the left was not good.

 

We put too much trust in "professionals" and the organizations selecting them or deeming them profession. Do we even honestly know the colleges, the degrees, or the prior job experience of our children's teachers? Do we ask our doctors and therapists what college they attended, what degree they earned, and what g.p.a they had? Yes, g.p.a. DOES matter in college, people who don't want to whip out the transcripts have something to hide. Do you want a doctor working on you who slept through the courses that pertain to your condition?

 

When I tutored at Valencia Community College to help pay for my education, I could only tutor in courses that I earned a B or higher. However, do we really know anything at all about the professionals we deal with on a regular basis? Truth be told, most of us don't. We don't know anything about the people who listen to or we trust. We also don't judge them by the fruit (which is biblical). I have asked several doctors and other professionals where they earned their degrees, etc and they have been offended. We, as parents and intelligent reasonable adults, who are paying for services or taking advice for our health or lives or leaving our children (one of our greatest blessings)alone with or to be educated by an individual MIGHT WANT TO START ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. Do we KNOW who our doctors are, our children's teachers, etc? What are their morals? If you are a Christian, do the people you take advice from believe in Jesus and follow his commands or do they just say they believe in God?

 

 

Yes, this is me. I think seeing who is replying is better than just hearing. I am the mother of two little girls, one is almost 4, and the other died during delivery due to a mistake. I am a "Christian" and a follower in Jesus - I belive in reading the bible and obeying the commands as Jesus explains. I believed in no sex before marriage and I also do not believe in adultery. I believe that we are responsible for our own decisions regardless of what someone else does to us because we stand before Christ alone. I was raped once and though I taught rape prevention before that experience, I did not want to gouge his eyes out because I did not want to make him blind. So I do truly believing loving even the unlovable - though it is exteremely hard to die to the flesh - without Jesus, I would be a different person, a nastier person. And though some people like short posts, I like long ones because it lets me understand more about people. I love the Dr. Phil message board because I love praying about the people and situations on it. God bless. I pray that Jesus touches every person who reads this, and every person on this board, and all of Dr. Phil's staff, himself, and their families in a special way. In Jesus name. Amen.

 

 

 
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March 22, 2008, 7:13 pm PDT

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies. Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow. Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule. I'd like to think that knowledge is protection. Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected? HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex. It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment.

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.You can focus sexual energy intoimmense productivity, which can help achieve your goals. But it should be a personal, private, informedchoice, not something you swear to in public. It can be a beautiful, spiritualthing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO. Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

That is actually bulls***. I didn't have sex until I was 20...and you know why? Because my parents, who are by the way Christians, told me the consequences of it. Teens need to know that abstinence until they are at a mature age is crucial because of the disease factor and early pregnancies. Such factors only cause a rise in abortions. But i guess that you don't really see anything wrong with abortion either. Oh and think about this: Ever since 'safe sex' has been taught in public schools, there has been a rise in STDs. hmmm...wonder where that came from...i guess so many kids think that they are protected by a rubber condom...even though you and I both know that a stupid rubber thing the size of a silver dollar is a far cry from a cloak of invincibility. Last year in a poll in my state of Louisiana, 40% of highschool girls had a known STD ...that percentage is up TWENTY percent from last year when only abstinance from sex was taught in sex ed...it's liberal minded people like you who bring the country down. How dare you.
 
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April 2, 2008, 12:40 pm PDT

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

I am rather amazed that people are surprised at the current state of our young people.  If I have processed my information right, our kids are obese, sex-crazed, disrespectful, and stupid.  But, I think most of us so-called 'parents' have the situation reversed.  These children are doing exactly what they are allowed to do.  And, a lot of them are copying what they see mommy, and daddy doing.  Are you really surprised that a school is thinking about giving out birth control?  Think long and hard about it.  When these kids come home from school, who is there?  Mom's have to work these days just like Dads do.  If you were a teenager coming home to nobody, what would you do?  The possibilties are endless.  Some kids are going to do the right thing.  Some kids are going to some of the right things, and one or two wrong things.  Some kids are going to do whatever they want, and that includes drugs, sex, and nothing to do with school studies.  Is it any wonder kids are making bad choices?  Who is there to guide them?  A lot of people think that when a kid gets the word 'teen' in his age description, you can kind of let them go.  I think you have to guide, and teach them how to make the right choices.  In order to do that you have to be there.  A lot ot the problems that we are having with our youth come down to one thing.  A lack of supervision.  I remember being a teenager during the 80's, and you talk about fast times.  Drugs, sex, and rock n' roll were a way of life for a lot of my friends.  Their parents would be at work, or whatever, and these kids did whatever they wanted.  But, not me.  My mom would be sitting there on the couch waiting for me almost every day.  I had to be home by 3:30 p.m.  I had to tell her where I was going.  She would go in my room to make sure there was nothing in there that shouldn't be in there.  I had to be accountable.  As a teenager, I hated it.  Why couldn't she mind her own business?  But, now that I am almost 40 years old, with a daughter of my own, I thank my mother for what she did.  She saved me from  a lot things that I saw my friends go through.  I was not pregnant at umpteen years old; I was not hooked on alcohol, or drugs.  I was a supervised child, and as things came up, my Mother helped me through it.  I can't thank her enough.  I have seen a lot of my peers deal with everything from having babies to soon, to drug addiction, to AIDS.  I have at least ten friends who were dead by 1999 as a result of decisions they made in their teen years.  Kids need truthful information, guidance, and parental supervision all of their young lives in order to have half a chance of getting through the minefield of the teen years.  I, also, emulated what I saw in my home.  My mother did not drink, or do drugs in front of me.  She was married to my father, and acted the way a married woman should act in front of her children.  You can't get drunk, and stoned in front of your children, and then try to tell them that they should not do the same thing.  It doesn't work that way.  You, also, can't be out of touch with your kids, and then be surprised at the things they chose to do without your guidance.  A lot of these kids are operating on their own.  The schools are going to be the first in a lot of cases to see whats going on.  That's why this particular school is even talking about the birth control issue.  Some kids don't want to talk about sex with their parents, others can't talk to their parents for whatever reason.  But, it just seems to me that a lot of these kids are on their own.  I don't know what the answer is to a lot of this, because it costs so damned much to live these days, and mothers have to work in a lot of situations.  But, I do know that our children need us, and our wisdom.  A lot of them are not getting it.  I don't like judging people, because I don't know what a lot of people's deals are, but I just see a lot of kids on their own, and making some horrble mistakes.
 


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