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April 8, 2008, 11:44 pm PDT

04/09 Fat Abusers

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Well, I missed the first show, and I will wait to see this show...but I don't think it's terrible to advise people to not stay with someone abusive. You must understand that...right? Not everyone has the resources you got from the show to change...

see I'll be curious to see what doctor phil has to say tomorrow but I don't think it looks good here at all.......This is a piece from the end of the last show and even after admitting his behavior is "abuse" and having the effects of a narcissistic abuser spelled out in front of him and admiting that they defy what he says he was trying to do "motivate her to lose weight"  being told he's beeing "justifying the abuse " if he's lead by words or set up he goes right back into how it's her fault and how she's made him do the things he's done because she's just not "up to his standards" and it's not because he's arrogant but he just doesn't think she can change......   This is just the tip of it and it was pretty hard to watch.  Doctor Phil doesn't hold out much hope that he's going to change because Narcissists just don't see that they are in the wrong and/or they will just continue to justify or pass the responsibility to others.  Like me now.  :)   I was so ill by the end of the show I literally had to go to the gym to work it off!  Seems I've disturbed him now and ummm that's ok.  Perhaps he's PO'd at me because Karen's listened and is insisting on deposting her own pay check and he's lost some of that control?  I hope so!    Anyway I'm sure they'll play clips from the last show and here is just the end piece......

 

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Dr. Phil tells Rick, “I’m trying to educate you, and I’m telling you that this is abuse, and your level of insight is very low … You’ve spent the entire time justifying it. Despite the fact that there are terrible results, you think you’re right. You’re right; she’s just too dumb to get it. I mean, if she’d just perk up a little and get with the program, you could just lead everybody out of this maze.”

“I don’t want to come right out and say that, but yeah,” Rick says. “And I don’t say that to be arrogant. It’s just the truth. You can’t change somebody, you know?”

“That’s my fear, that you can’t change somebody, because you’re the one that I’d want to be changing,” Dr. Phil tells him. “Let me tell you: You’re going to do exactly the same thing to your children as you’re doing to her, and they’re going to grow up as broken spirits.”

“I don’t think so. I love my children,” he says. 

“Yeah, you loved her too,” Dr. Phil points out. He offers to arrange some counseling for them individually. He tells Karen, “I think you’ve got to get centered up before you make decisions about what you want to do ... There’s a whole lot of complexity that goes into this issue, and I want you to have someone to help you, without him banging on you from the side. If I make those resources available to you, will you embrace them?”

“I sure will,” Karen says.

Rick accepts as well. “I’ll do anything that I need to do to change,” he says.

 


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