Quote From: gwarrior6
You can believe whatever you want to believe.
I however, DO NOT believe the pin thing is stupid. Name-calling is the basest form of human discourse, why call those who value patriotism morons? My father was bothered by the "pin thing", he has a law degree, was invited to join Mensa after taking the LSAT and made the 2nd highest score on his Bar exam. It's important to my cousin, a petroleum engineer, it's important to my aunt, who teaches medical school.
This is a way to connect with those whom he chooses to serve. Instead, he'd rather pander to terrorists. Look, the pledge is a way to connect with those who love our country and would die to protect it. The pledge was created out of patriotic feelings of national unity. This is not about conforming, it's about showing respect.
Why is it backwards? To remember who we are? To remember what happened the day before yesterday? To forget history, and allow those in power to rewrite it is criminal. I won't let them.
I'm set in my ways because I've actually researched O, and the more I look up, the more I'm positive he wouldn't be the right man for the job. It's merely a growing confidence in what I believe to be true. You seem set in YOUR ways too by stating that the pledge "is a stupid, meaningless gesture" and patriotic Americans who want to connect with a potential leader are "morons". Those are pretty strong statements too.
If you don't like or enjoy debating politics, why start a debate by fronting an opposing viewpoint? I can debate this forever. Obviously we aren't going to change each other's minds about what we think, and that's okay, we all have the freedom to think differently (wouldn't the world be boring if we were all the same?). Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them "stupid" or "morons", they look at thinks differently from a separate value system.
With that conclusion, I want to say that I don't appreciate those (not necessarily you, but other atheists on blogs) claim that Christians or any religious people are "stupid" for believing in a supreme being. I find that offensive because Christianity is an interpretation of reality, a why to the how. But that's a debate for another thread, and I don't want to debate it here further. Merely a statement of how I feel that name-calling is used to browbeat those with opposing viewpoints to side with some atheists (not all).
"Name-calling is the basest form of human discourse, why call those who value patriotism morons?"
I don't understand why you keep saying it this way when you KNOW that I've said SEVERAL time that I don't believe that IS a show of patriotism...ok?
I don't think those that value patriotism are morons...I think it's MORONIC that people assume that a person has to wear a pin in order to show patriotism. I was VERY clear on that and you've mischaracterized it yet again.
I think the idea is MORONIC, I don't think people are MORONS...I think it's a silly side issue that people get wound up on and it diverts from REAL issues.
I am sorry I came in here and debated this...but I am not going to let you mischaracterize what I said!!!
I am a TRUE patriot IMO. And I wouldn't wear a flag pin ever. I don't think wearing a pin does anything other than put a hole in your lapel.
