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June 20, 2008, 8:34 am PDT

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"Name-calling is the basest form of human discourse, why call those who value patriotism morons?"

I don't understand why you keep saying it this way when you KNOW that I've said SEVERAL time that I don't believe that IS a show of patriotism...ok?

I don't think those that value patriotism are morons...I think it's MORONIC that people assume that a person has to wear a pin in order to show patriotism. I was VERY clear on that and you've mischaracterized it yet again.

I think the idea is MORONIC, I don't think people are MORONS...I think it's a silly side issue that people get wound up on and it diverts from REAL issues.

I am sorry I came in here and debated this...but I am not going to let you mischaracterize what I said!!!

I am a TRUE patriot IMO. And I wouldn't wear a flag pin ever. I don't think wearing a pin does anything other than put a hole in your lapel.


 

Mischaracterize what you said?  This is what you said from an earlier post:

 

"I don't believe that any candidate wears a flag pin for any other reason than to pander to morons and insult intelligent folks."

Now it's just the IDEA that's moronic.  That's not a debate point, that's just name-calling to those that value a gesture.


I've made my statement about why we should hold a Congressman running for POTUS to a higher standard, but I don't see a clear, eloquent point from you about WHY the idea is MORONIC.  Patriotism is an idea, showing patriotism through wearing a pin is an idea.   So is reciting the pledge and putting your hand over your heart during the national anthem.  Those are signs of RESPECT, hardly moronic, IMO.  Small gestures can be pregnant with larger meaning. 

 

You could argue that it's MORONIC to just assume that wearing a pin is  purely a meaningless, self-serving  gesture.  You seem to be going to the other EXTREME with it.  You're the one who picked on this trivial point and drug it out to this point.  AGAIN, that's not the only reason I WILL NOT VOTE 'O' during this election

 

It's the liberal ideology that prey's upon the sloth, self-indulgence, and dumbing down of our youth (the latter they've purposely created in a new generation, submissive to a paternalistic government).  In my youth, I dare to be different in not following the Obama lemmings off the same stupid cliff.  I've listed several good reasons I refuse to be influenced by the hype.

 

I'm a patriot too, which is why I refuse to let my country go down the tubes with that candidate.  Is it okay by you if I kick the tires on Obama?   Is it okay to have an opinion that differs from yours?  Or are you in a habit of being condescending to dissenting opinion?  I believe it is a show of patriotism and you don't.  Like I said before, you are entitled to your opinion, this being a free country and all.  And SO AM I.

 

 
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June 21, 2008, 11:41 am PDT

A Barack and McCain...

Quote From: PennyLane78

"Name-calling is the basest form of human discourse, why call those who value patriotism morons?"

I don't understand why you keep saying it this way when you KNOW that I've said SEVERAL time that I don't believe that IS a show of patriotism...ok?

I don't think those that value patriotism are morons...I think it's MORONIC that people assume that a person has to wear a pin in order to show patriotism. I was VERY clear on that and you've mischaracterized it yet again.

I think the idea is MORONIC, I don't think people are MORONS...I think it's a silly side issue that people get wound up on and it diverts from REAL issues.

I am sorry I came in here and debated this...but I am not going to let you mischaracterize what I said!!!

I am a TRUE patriot IMO. And I wouldn't wear a flag pin ever. I don't think wearing a pin does anything other than put a hole in your lapel.


Penny, I respect  that you don't like the flag pins, and do not recite the Pledge. But, how can you say that the idea is MORONIC but not the people? I wear a flag pin and I recite the pledge and I am not a moron. I don't see how you can separate the two. I wear a flag pin because I love the flag and all it stands for to me. I recite the plege because I believe in the words with all of my heart. How can you say that the idea is moronic but that on the other hand, the people who practice these things are not morons?

 
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June 23, 2008, 7:22 am PDT

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Quote From: PennyLane78

"Name-calling is the basest form of human discourse, why call those who value patriotism morons?"

I don't understand why you keep saying it this way when you KNOW that I've said SEVERAL time that I don't believe that IS a show of patriotism...ok?

I don't think those that value patriotism are morons...I think it's MORONIC that people assume that a person has to wear a pin in order to show patriotism. I was VERY clear on that and you've mischaracterized it yet again.

I think the idea is MORONIC, I don't think people are MORONS...I think it's a silly side issue that people get wound up on and it diverts from REAL issues.

I am sorry I came in here and debated this...but I am not going to let you mischaracterize what I said!!!

I am a TRUE patriot IMO. And I wouldn't wear a flag pin ever. I don't think wearing a pin does anything other than put a hole in your lapel.


 

I forgot to mention, in my last word, that during an ad for Barrack Obama, he WAS wearing a flag pin.  So first he refuses to wear it to pander to "morons" and insult "intelligent people", now he does it.  So I guess he's insulting the "oh-so-high-IQ" of those who look down on Americans who value it and panders to the "moronic" chunk of America (more people than I think you realize).  Again, my argument is that it IS an act of patriotism in and of itself, because it's morale boosting to both Americans at home and troops abroad. 

 

Let's focus for a second on an issue that holds a little more weight- Energy Independance (assuming you came back to read this post, but for anyone reading it).

 

McCain wants to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling as an option.  This is wise in so many ways.  First of all, in the short term, it would pose a threat to the foreign oil market, and Saudi's would be more willing to negotiate the price per barrel.  This is exactly what happened during the 70's oil crisis, and before rigs were even constructed, we were able to negotiate lower prices.  In the long term, it would increase our economy and aide in re-constructing the middle class and we would begin to reap the benefits of domestic drilling, driving prices down even further.  It's a process, and if we start now, we can stop the price of gas before it reaches $10/gal. 

 

Unfortunately, the Congress/House, with the Democratic majority shut down Bush's efforts last week because of arguments of inefficiency (read "special interest groups"), despite the fact that it would be remarkably efficient.  Too bad.

 

Barrack's plan is to install a oil company profit tax (windfall profits tax), lowering revenues for the shareholders (you, me, Americans, not just the CEO's).  Also, they want Saudi Arabia to pump more oil from it's reserves, continuing dependancy of foreign oil, putting America at the mercy of OPEC. 

 

I believe we'd be better off with McCain's plan, so that's another reason I won't vote Obama.  I know the youth of America feel obliged to vote Democrat because it's "cool", but I'm not backing down to the peer pressure like a kid at the popular table in high school.  I think as much as they play the "race" card for Obama, they also discredit McCain because of his age.  So in addition to it being a case of reverse racism against McCain, they're also agist against someone with the possibility of cleaning up America.  Ronald Reagan was 70 when he took office and ended the Cold War.  So superficial reasons shouldn't drive an election. 

 


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