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Topic : 02/14 Love Smart Island, Part 2

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It's brutal. It's cutthroat. It's competitive. It leaves you wounded, scarred and absolutely exhausted. We're talking about LOVE! A group of frustrated singles set sail for a getaway on Catalina Island so they can learn how to start "loving smart." Three women, who admit they're very picky, agree to an experiment to see what would happen if they're unable to judge a book by its cover. With blindfolds on, they go out on dates with men who think their appearances might not measure up with what women are looking for. Will these nice guys finish last when the blindfolds are removed? Then, Dillon and Donna have been dating for two years, yet she can't get over her insane jealousy. Will she be able to get her green-eyed monster under control before it runs him off? Plus, the latest on the love triangle among Todd, Hayley and Chad, and your chance to meet these eligible singles! Share your thoughts.

 

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February 15, 2006, 10:53 am PST

Getting sick and tired of it!

OK. Yesterday I watched Part 2 of Love Smart Island AND the Prime Time special. And in both I was dissapointed that once again a problem was presented with NO solutions. I saw Donna having jealousy issues and why but no solution on how to get past it. Then with Paula on the evening show and her problems but again no real solutions. Dr. Phil - you can do better. 

I am also getting tired of seeing all these 20 something girls who are having problems finding a man. They still have time. How about a show for women over 40 trying to find that special someone. Our time is running short. We have a better idea who we are, what some of our issues are but can't get past them to find a man right for us. Have you forgotten about us?! Maybe have a show for us with some real answers. 

Karen 

 

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February 15, 2006, 11:16 am PST

January

So January thinks she "deserves" the best.  Why because she is attractive?  What did she do to be attractive?  Her mom & dad should have the credit for that not January.  Because she is successful?  Well, so were the blind date guys.   

  

I read a post from one of the other island girls that defended January as sweet, successful, yadda, yadda, yadda.  If she was all that successful, you would think she would realize that they are taping everything she says and keeping everything she writes.  I think she just let us see her real, shallow self.  I judge people on how they treat others--the rest is just an added bonus.  Obviously, turning it around is not working so why hold on to it so hard? 

  

She also thought her date might be Jay McGraw and was so excited about that because he is so hot.  Well, from what I have seen of Jay, he wouldn't give her 2 seconds.  He is kind and compassionate and would never want to spend time with those that are rude and hateful.  When he dressed like a loser to go on those interviews, you could see how much he hurt for those that were stuck in that kind of a life.   

  

From January's comments regarding her previous relationships and how they treated her, I think she asks for it.  Not just because of her attention to the wrapping but because there has to be a reason she always picks guys that treat her poorly.  If there were 400 attrative, great guys in a room and one was a cad, she would right by the others and pick the rotten apple. 

  

  

 
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February 15, 2006, 11:24 am PST

get a life

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 Thank you for the insight.  I think we all have a much better understanding of this now.  I had never heard the expression "10" until the movie, which was all about outside perfection and internal emptiness.
Funny, I remember the movie being more about a man obsessed with meeting a "10" like most men are. The female character was beautiful, smart, and younger, his girlfriend was homely and whiney; bet you understand that. Stop watching so much TV and get a life or you may find yourself married to a man that goes thru a mid-life crisis in search of a "10".
 
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February 15, 2006, 11:39 am PST

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As long as women think we are not entitled to have physical preferrences in a mate but men are,we will make all men feel they are entitled to "supermodels" no matter how plain because they are born with a penis! Why is it that attractive girls are considered bad if they want an attractive male and actually talked out of what they want because they are being shallow. But attractive men and not so attractive men are "excused" for the same thing because that's what guys do? My boyfriend and I watched this show and he is the one who said those 3 "Average Joe's" are single because they feel they do not have to settle for an "Average Jane" b Society tells them so. Had the roles been reversed and those 3 men had dates like Roseanne Barr, Brett Butler, and Conchita Farrel (two and a half men) those guys would have been even more shallow than the women and they would not be as willing to accept a woman who is at their level or less attractive because she has a great personality. Yet we sit there and feel sorry for the men(who cannot find a date because they are too picky) and berate women who take care to look good and stay fit because we as woman are so needy of men, any man is good. So what if he is overweight,does not take care of his appearance or you are not attracted to him. MAKE YOURSELF FEEL ATTRCATION or lie to yourself that it does not matter to you. Watched the Oprah show yesterday .When the phychologist said as women we are taught to accept any man because it is considered better to have a so-so man,than no man at all so women settle for anything with a penis or a man who can provide her with nice things because we are taught to I felt really bad. I watched Dr. Phil try to convince the women that they are bad for feeling they need attraction. Are we as women not entitled to feel physical attraction to our mates or is that a luxury only men have? I know men who are overweight,hairy,old,bad teeth ,bad personalities and they all expect to get hot women. But lord knows ignore the ugly ones as though they are invisible. Tons of single "Average Janes" can tell you the reality of this. A couple of weeks ago my boyfriend set up a co-worker who complains constantly he cannot find a nice girl. This guy is about 40 lbs overweight, bad hair,glasses, not so great set of teeth. He was set up with a girl who is attractive though about 15lbs heavier than she should be. We thought we were doing him a favor as she was cuter than he deserved. Guess what! He had the nerve to be upset with the date and pulled my boyfriend aside in the middle of dinner because the girl was not attractive enough for him! He thought her cute, but needs to lose weight! This is typical however with most "Average Joe's" Even the show "Average Joe" berrated the beautiful women for not looking into a man's heart and being shallow. Meanwhile all of the average Joe's were going gaga for her looks and figure and all claiming to be in love with her(Who is shallow??). The audiance feels sorry for the Joe's ignoring the fact they are as shallow as can be meanwhile wanting attractive women to look past their shortcomings. Would these aaverage Joe's be so hot and sweet to an Average Jane" I think we all know the answer.
I wanted to take a moment to correct some of the misconceptions that seem to be shared by sooooo many of those posting on the boards.  (1) The Love Smart Island wasn't a "singles" retreat, mixer or anything like that. People spent most of their time waiting for the next segment that had to be shot and didn't really get to mix and mingle. (2) Most of the guests didn't get to "pick their dates."  As a matter of fact, only the 3 bachelors got any sort of choice in the process.  So, it's rather unfair to berate people for not choosing certain bachelors or being too picky or whatnot...  they had almost no choice in the matter.  (4) Reality vs. TV:  You only saw a small, small fraction of the total video shot.  All of the guests on the island are actually really wonderful people with amazing personalites.. they are quite caring, thoughtful and kind.  If you saw some things in the minute and a half of video on each person that you didn't like, bear in mind that we all have issues... we all have things we need to work on... whether it's our height, weight, looks, whatever...  part of the reason most of the guests were there was to get help with those issues that created problems with their dating life.  Also, many of the truly wonderful moments between the guests or what they had to say about each  other.... never made it out of the studio's cutting room. (5) Personal preferences:  again, as for the average joes, the single women, etc. You don't know whom they would date or wouldn't.  I don't recall (since I was one of them) any of the guys ever saying or feeling like they wouldn't date or go out with an "Average Jane"... actually, they all said quite the contrary.  As for the ladies, after getting to know them they all are quite wonderful people and not the shallow images that they were made out to be.  I could go on and on and on but I will finish with the point that everyone is looking for their perfect match. For those out there that have found them... amen.  If you want to offer advice or your insights then that is always helpful.  But please don't berate or belittle people based on a uber small glimpse of them on what was a highly edited TV show.  We all have feelings...  tearing people down isn't going to help them or anyone else fix thier issues,etc.  Anyhoo, sorry for the oh so long ramble.  All the best....
 
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February 15, 2006, 11:44 am PST

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As long as women think we are not entitled to have physical preferrences in a mate but men are,we will make all men feel they are entitled to "supermodels" no matter how plain because they are born with a penis! Why is it that attractive girls are considered bad if they want an attractive male and actually talked out of what they want because they are being shallow. But attractive men and not so attractive men are "excused" for the same thing because that's what guys do? My boyfriend and I watched this show and he is the one who said those 3 "Average Joe's" are single because they feel they do not have to settle for an "Average Jane" b Society tells them so. Had the roles been reversed and those 3 men had dates like Roseanne Barr, Brett Butler, and Conchita Farrel (two and a half men) those guys would have been even more shallow than the women and they would not be as willing to accept a woman who is at their level or less attractive because she has a great personality. Yet we sit there and feel sorry for the men(who cannot find a date because they are too picky) and berate women who take care to look good and stay fit because we as woman are so needy of men, any man is good. So what if he is overweight,does not take care of his appearance or you are not attracted to him. MAKE YOURSELF FEEL ATTRCATION or lie to yourself that it does not matter to you. Watched the Oprah show yesterday .When the phychologist said as women we are taught to accept any man because it is considered better to have a so-so man,than no man at all so women settle for anything with a penis or a man who can provide her with nice things because we are taught to I felt really bad. I watched Dr. Phil try to convince the women that they are bad for feeling they need attraction. Are we as women not entitled to feel physical attraction to our mates or is that a luxury only men have? I know men who are overweight,hairy,old,bad teeth ,bad personalities and they all expect to get hot women. But lord knows ignore the ugly ones as though they are invisible. Tons of single "Average Janes" can tell you the reality of this. A couple of weeks ago my boyfriend set up a co-worker who complains constantly he cannot find a nice girl. This guy is about 40 lbs overweight, bad hair,glasses, not so great set of teeth. He was set up with a girl who is attractive though about 15lbs heavier than she should be. We thought we were doing him a favor as she was cuter than he deserved. Guess what! He had the nerve to be upset with the date and pulled my boyfriend aside in the middle of dinner because the girl was not attractive enough for him! He thought her cute, but needs to lose weight! This is typical however with most "Average Joe's" Even the show "Average Joe" berrated the beautiful women for not looking into a man's heart and being shallow. Meanwhile all of the average Joe's were going gaga for her looks and figure and all claiming to be in love with her(Who is shallow??). The audiance feels sorry for the Joe's ignoring the fact they are as shallow as can be meanwhile wanting attractive women to look past their shortcomings. Would these aaverage Joe's be so hot and sweet to an Average Jane" I think we all know the answer.
I wanted to take a moment to correct some of the misconceptions that seem to be shared by sooooo many of those posting on the boards.  (1) The Love Smart Island wasn't a "singles" retreat, mixer or anything like that. People spent most of their time waiting for the next segment that had to be shot and didn't really get to mix and mingle. (2) Most of the guests didn't get to "pick their dates."  As a matter of fact, only the 3 bachelors got any sort of choice in the process.  So, it's rather unfair to berate people for not choosing certain bachelors or being too picky or whatnot...  they had almost no choice in the matter.  (4) Reality vs. TV:  You only saw a small, small fraction of the total video shot.  All of the guests on the island are actually really wonderful people with amazing personalites.. they are quite caring, thoughtful and kind.  If you saw some things in the minute and a half of video on each person that you didn't like, bear in mind that we all have issues... we all have things we need to work on... whether it's our height, weight, looks, whatever...  part of the reason most of the guests were there was to get help with those issues that created problems with their dating life.  Also, many of the truly wonderful moments between the guests or what they had to say about each  other.... never made it out of the studio's cutting room. (5) Personal preferences:  again, as for the average joes, the single women, etc. You don't know whom they would date or wouldn't.  I don't recall (since I was one of them) any of the guys ever saying or feeling like they wouldn't date or go out with an "Average Jane"... actually, they all said quite the contrary.  As for the ladies, after getting to know them they all are quite wonderful people and not the shallow images that they were made out to be.  I could go on and on and on but I will finish with the point that everyone is looking for their perfect match. For those out there that have found them... amen.  If you want to offer advice or your insights then that is always helpful.  But please don't berate or belittle people based on a uber small glimpse of them on what was a highly edited TV show.  We all have feelings...  tearing people down isn't going to help them or anyone else fix thier issues,etc.  Anyhoo, sorry for the oh so long ramble.  All the best....
 
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February 15, 2006, 12:15 pm PST

The Jealous Girl

I think you are right on target.  He has no right to be looking at other women when he is with you.  It doesn't matter if you are not around or sitting right next to him. I believe that you might have a problem within yourself, but him doing that does not help the matter.  Men have to LEARN on how to be more committed if they are going to be in a relationship.
 
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February 15, 2006, 12:39 pm PST

Get a Grip

I have to admit that these ladies have a lot of courage to go on national television and admit that they require help.  It isn't easy being ridiculed for your beliefs, as misguided as they may be.  Having said that, here is my two cents worth: 

 

To January and the other ladies - stop your navel gazing and get out of your own head.  There are so many luscious people in the world that you pass over because you are too self-absorbed.  You need to develop some human integrity, some compassion and some humility.  Go volunteer at a burn unit (where scars are not pretty), sit with the elderly (who sometimes smell funny and make strange noises), serve soup at a soup kitchen (where the clients have nothing), donate time (not money) to a worthwhile cause.  In short, get over yourselves and put something back into the world instead of thinking that you are entitled to everything because you are such a ten.   

 

You spend thousands of dollars on hair, cosmetics, designer fashions, but how and with what do you feed your inside. Sure, you're all pretty but as long as you don't speak too much or too long, you can get by on your looks.   

 

You all have the potential to be luscious people too, you just have to start feeding your soul.  When you are truly less self-absorbed, love will come your way.  And the best part is that you will not leave hurt in your wake. 

 
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February 15, 2006, 1:16 pm PST

whatever

why   are some people  have to have  mr. perfect!   no body's perfect!!!   anyway   i   am  looking for a man  thats a Christian, that put god first in his life.   if the man is not a Christian  ,  hes   not wroth  having.   a good man  is a christian  man that loves god!!
 
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February 15, 2006, 1:28 pm PST

Beauty is only part

 I;ve always been  an attractive woman. i've never lacked for the attention of men. But ot's not just a matter of looks. Yes, that may get the first glance, but there has to be more. being genuinely caring of others and outgoing is a big plus. That doesn't mean you have to be the life of the party, just subtle looks and body language may be enough to start something. Make the most of what you've got. Most people don't look like movie stars. Many ordinary even unattractive people have happy relationships. Why? Give & take. I have a friend that is sure she'd never get a man interested because she's overweight and not pretty. Not true. get involved.  Think of someone besides yourself. Build your self confidence. no one will want you if you don't think much of yourself.
In my younger dating days, I once dated a man who wouldn't date women that were plain. They had to be beauties. I told him that was too bad. You miss a lot of beautiful people when you only look at the outside.
I used to be attracted first to gorgeous me. It landed me a cheater, a drug user and an alcoholic . Not that all attractive men have problems, but you take a bigger chance when all you look at is the outer package.
My husband is a reasonably attractive man, but far from my ideal before I married him. Kinda soft and paunchy, but that's fine. he treats me like a queen!
Don't settle for just looks!
 

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February 15, 2006, 2:03 pm PST

Calm Down

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Funny, I remember the movie being more about a man obsessed with meeting a "10" like most men are. The female character was beautiful, smart, and younger, his girlfriend was homely and whiney; bet you understand that. Stop watching so much TV and get a life or you may find yourself married to a man that goes thru a mid-life crisis in search of a "10".
Yes people have said "She is shallow, she is this, she is that.  Yes, you should be proud of your daughter.  How do you know that this person watches too much t.v.???  I think people are trying to tell your daughter to maybe change some of her expectations if she does hope to meet that right guy.  I believe that you should not settle for something that you don't want.   Be open to giving a person (that on first meeting)  is not love at first sight  a second or third date.  You can always "fix" certain things about a guy.  Generally if a person really cares about someone else, they are willing to say, wear different clothes, etc.  I know when I met my husband, I had to tell him how to dress.  That was years ago.   I use to pick out his clothes.  I still do.....
 
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