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Topic : 08/14 Trouble in the Spotlight

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Created on : Friday, February 10, 2006, 12:49:43 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/16/06) Every parent thinks his or her child is special, but these mothers are obsessed with making their child a star -- so much so, they're willing to sacrifice their marriages and divide their families. Kari and Bonnie are sisters who are at war because Bonnie encourages her 8-year-old daughter to wear make-up, false teeth and spray-on tans to compete in high-glitz beauty pageants. Kari says the pageants should be outlawed, and fears her niece will become prey for pedophiles. Will Bonnie learn to see Kari's point of view? Then, Ranel is convinced her daughter is the next Dakota Fanning and will stop at nothing to see her child's name in lights. Her husband, Charles, says she's neglecting their younger daughter and their marriage. Can they come to an agreement? And, a mother faces criticism and mockery for putting her 6-year-old son in beauty pageants. Is she making a mistake? Talk about the show here

 

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February 16, 2006, 2:46 pm PST

How is that?

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I rest my case.

I'm not a major fan of these pageants either, but to each there own!  And if done in moderation then who am I to say it couldn't be a good thing for a child. But I do have to disagree with you,  nothing this other poster says exemplifies any of the things you said of her to be.  And how can you make a judgement about another person like that, of someone you know nothing about?  Who are you to judge? I feel some people are so strong in their convictions or opinions, that even when someone can give a valid debate on the opposite opinion, they are too blind to see it, and when they can't come back with anything to equal it, they lash out and start to place labels and call names.  And from someone who's been around for a LONG time, I have come to learn that the labels we blindly place on others, only shows the type of person we are ashamed to be!!   

 
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February 16, 2006, 2:51 pm PST

an observation on todays show

I  wonder at some of the real motives for some of these parents who  have had their   children in childrens pageants..........what are some of the long range effects of the undue  pressure on these youngsters........personally i find it appalling!!!.........as if there isnt enough  school peer pressure on  too many  kids today, adding this one more event to their lives  just makes it intolerable.........i really feel sad for these youngsters ..............     nuf said...................smileyfish
 
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February 16, 2006, 2:52 pm PST

You're SO right !

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I have seen many shows that cover this topic, The moms and dads seem obsessed and push the children to worik to win. I don't understand how these pagents are not outlawed. I feel so sorry for these children and the repurcussions on them.

Child labor laws should apply to these events. They generate revenue for someone ... and it's on the backs of these kids. 

 
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February 16, 2006, 2:52 pm PST

Singing in the Rain

Dear Hollie.  Hunter is indeed an adorable boy!  I got a kick out of the "singing in the rain".  Take care. 

Julie 

 
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February 16, 2006, 2:53 pm PST

Creating a plastic life

Dear Dr. Phil, 

        I truly find it repulsive that a mother could have her daughter where false teeth and  

get spray on tans at 8 years old.  The more I looked at the child's picture the more I saw  

the face of BARBIE.  What kind of world are we living in when a parent willingly encourages  

a child to do these things.  What kind of message is it sending when winning is everything? 

And beauty is key to getting to the top.  What ever happened to hard work and dedication? 

      I agree with the mothers sister whole heartedly about the dangers of the Internet photos 

and such.  why would you willingly put your child in harms way??  I think the mother just needs  

to go get a new Barbie and let her daughter be a kid.  Lord knows they grow up way to fast  

these days... 

 
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February 16, 2006, 2:57 pm PST

Excellent point, well-put !

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These parents are fooling themselves and teaching their children that being something other than who/what they really are is what wins in life!  These pageants aren't about parading around the children as they are in reality--everything they wear and do is FAKE. And they win by being the FAKEST! This can only screw a child up psychologically for when they deal in the real world, without their makeup, fake teeth and hair extensions on. How sick. 

 I was surprised that Dr. Phil didn't bring up the point of a person's developing "personal reality" and being your "authentic" self.  It's so critical.  Thank you for honing in on that important point. 

 

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February 16, 2006, 2:58 pm PST

I AM DISGUSTED.....

I really think that these child pagents should be banned----completely.  These parents, like Bonnie, love to give the appearance that it's the child that really wants to be in these pagents when we all know that it's the MOTHERS that are pushing them to do this.  Bonnie said that if her daughter told her tomorrow that she didn't want to do the pagents any more, then "we would stop."  Bullcrap.  You said on the show that you've "invested ALOT of time and money in these pagents" and that you expect her to act accordingly while on stage because you "don't think that's too much to ask."  So Bonnie, if you're getting upset because your daughter isn't behaving the way you think she should before she goes on stage, do you actually think that anyone believes that you wouldn't be furious and angry with your daughter if she wanted to quit? 

  

I was shocked when I saw pictures of your daughter and your excuses were the same pathetic ones that Patsy Ramsey would mouth when people openly questioned her about dressing her daughter like a prostitute.  Patsy Ramsey said "....it's only a few highlights in her hair" or "..it's only a little bit of mascara."  You sound the exact same way.  Your daughter looks like a prostitute thanks to you.    The fact that your sister and your mother both are disgusted with the way she looks speaks volumes and it's something you should listen to. 

  

When my daughter was 5 years old, we were approached one day by an agent wanting me to consider entering her in a beauty pagent.   Because of her extraordinary prettiness (long blonde hair and large blue-violet eyes) he thought she'd be a winner.  I'm sure he tells everyone that.  I refused his offer because I do not want to subject my daughter to heavy make up, sleazy clothes, fake tans and false teeth before the age of 6.   I wanted her to be a NORMAL little girl who gets scrapes and cuts and bruises.  I don't want her to think that her looks counts for more than personality.  Teaching her to help others, being kind and charitable count far more than looks. 

  

You need to re-think your position.  Quit pretending that this is something your daughter wants-----it's YOU who wants this and it is extremely selfish of you.  

 
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February 16, 2006, 3:03 pm PST

Child in the Spotlight

I just saw the show about putting your children in the spotlight and I just had to respond to Ranel and her obsession with Brooklyn being a star.  I have no problem with her wanting to gain fame for her daughter but I object to her doing it at the expense of her other, younger daughter.  While watching her on the show, I saw no regard whatsoever for her younger daughter's feelings.  Her concern was trying to find a way to make sure Brooklyn became a star and saving her marriage at the same time.  If I missed something and didn't see the concern she showed for her younger daughter, I apologize.  But I would say to Ranel if she has believed all of Brooklyn's life that this child is going to be a star and has devoted her life to that purpose, then she shouldn't have brought another child into this world to neglect and leave with a negative self image. 

Thank you Dr. Phil and I just LOVE your show!!!! 

 

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February 16, 2006, 3:05 pm PST

02/16 Trouble in the Spotlight

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I THINK IF YOU DON'T DO PAGEANTS THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HOBBIES WE DO. PEOPLE ASK WHY THE FAKE HAIR, MAKE UP, ETC. WELL WHY DO MOTORCYCLE RACERS WEAR PROTECTIVE GEAR? IT'S PART OF THE GAME THATS WHY? MAKE UP AND HAIR IS PART OF THE GAME LADIES. THERE IS NO HARM IN PAGEANTS. WE ARE NOT OUT TO HURT ANYONE IT'S JUST THAT WE DEFINE THIS AS A HOBBY JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE IS MORE FIGHTING AND BROKEN BONES IN SPORTS AND I WOULD SAY THATS HURTING SOMEONE. BUT THIS ISN'T HURTING ANYONE. I KNOW THAT EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT UNTIL YOU'VE TRIED DOING A PAGEANT, DON'T KNOCK IT. I'M SURE IF YOU PUT YOUR CHILD IN ONE AND SHE WON THEN YOU ALL WOULD BE THE SAME WAY.         

Oh pu-lease, who are you trying to kid??  Motorcycle racers are ADULTS!!  Would you let a 5 year old get behind the wheel of a monster truck or motorcycle?  No??  Gee why not??  Maybe because they're for ADULTS??  Here's a clue:  heavy make-up, false teeth, wigs, flashy sleezy clothes are for ADULTS----not children. 

 

This is NOT "just a hobby" so don't give me that crap.  Its a sick obsession by the mothers who are trying to live their lives through their daughters and they don't care what it does to them. 

 
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February 16, 2006, 3:08 pm PST

Creepy

Dr Phil was correct when he stated that Bonnie's daughter looked "creepy".   I think that Bonnie should stop with the peagaents and take some quality time with her daughter focusing on self worth being who she is, not some made up "barbie doll" looking girl.    Without the make up, fake hair , and fake teeth she is just an ordinary girl.  I would think that anyone who would want to pursue a career in showbusiness would want to present themselves in a natural state, not made up to be someone else.  I think her mother is trying to live through her . This might have been her dream as a child and now she is pushing it on her daughter to fullfil her dream. Women nowadays have a tough enough time being accepted in this world. Why make things worse by putting them through this tedious routine of make up and stuff. Let a child be a child! There is plenty of time for make up and fake teeth(when she is old and lost all of hers)...
 
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