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Topic : 08/14 Trouble in the Spotlight

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(Original Air Date: 02/16/06) Every parent thinks his or her child is special, but these mothers are obsessed with making their child a star -- so much so, they're willing to sacrifice their marriages and divide their families. Kari and Bonnie are sisters who are at war because Bonnie encourages her 8-year-old daughter to wear make-up, false teeth and spray-on tans to compete in high-glitz beauty pageants. Kari says the pageants should be outlawed, and fears her niece will become prey for pedophiles. Will Bonnie learn to see Kari's point of view? Then, Ranel is convinced her daughter is the next Dakota Fanning and will stop at nothing to see her child's name in lights. Her husband, Charles, says she's neglecting their younger daughter and their marriage. Can they come to an agreement? And, a mother faces criticism and mockery for putting her 6-year-old son in beauty pageants. Is she making a mistake? Talk about the show here

 

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February 16, 2006, 7:43 am PST

So Sick of this topic!

Has anyone ever noticed that it is always some concerned friend or relative that doesn't want you to have your child or children in pageants?   They are always there to criticize and complain.  Sometimes I think its do to jealously.  Jealous of the attention that the family gets, jealous of your participation.   All girls need to feel pretty,  they need a well adjusted self esteem, so that when they are pre teenagers and awkward looking ( as Dr Phil stated) they will still have that positive outlook of themselves. I see no need to blow certain aspects of a pageants out of the water.  Athletes are not suppose to have sex before the "BIG GAME".  So why not keep your daughter off of her bike before a pageants.  Women do the same before their wedding, it is a preparation to the big event.    Frankly I would love to see the girls on stage smiling and having a good time instead of on a talk show telling the world they are ugly, and no one loves them.  I'm sure you're are sick of that topic also.
 
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February 16, 2006, 7:44 am PST

Superficiality

A lot of people think it's wrong to make little girls think that they are not beautiful enough unless they have fake teeth, change their hair, wear make-up, etc.  Well, it is wrong.  But guess what?  That's not the only thing that's wrong!  What about adult women?  Society and the media makes women feel as though they're not beautiful unless they "fakeify" themselves with make-up, possibly breast implants, changing their hair color, etc.  It's still wrong, whether you're 5 or 50 years old.  It makes me angry that men are portrayed as looking good when they look natural, yet a woman is supposed to have a push-up bra, wear make-up, etc.  Do you ever see a woman on tv who is not wearing make-up?  Even though they do put make-up on men at times, women are still completely "fakeified".  It's not ok to be superficial when you're a child, but it is okay to be superficial as an adult?  I believe that being truly beautiful is looking how you naturally are, not covered in make-up, fake hair color, and high heels.  All of this that the media does is to make money, making women feel as though they must have these products and they must look a certain way.  Think about it this way: What's more beautiful?  A fake flower or a real flower?  Some women are hiding under all that make-up and fake hair.  We are not supposed to be plastic Barbie dolls, no matter what age.  I wish we could all embrace our natural beauty.   

 
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February 16, 2006, 7:45 am PST

VERY Distressed

I hated what happened to Jon Benet and I do firmly believe that her competeing in these pageants contributed to her young lif being terminated. 

And this mothers attitude thinking that what she is doing is not wrong is awful.. 

I recently had the opportunity to witness one of these pageants and what goes on behind the scenes in the hotels they stay in while preparing . 

We were staying at the hotel to attend a ball tournament. 

  All these beautiful little girls where running the halls in the pageant finery and if you looked at the doors there were hair salons, spray tanning , nails salons, choreographers , costume shops and such set up for the girls to visit in the hotels rooms. 

mothers were in the hallways directing their children this way and that getting their routines ready and I repeatedly heard the mothers saying to the girls don't you dare cry you'll mess your makeup up ... or don't do that you'll ruin your dress , stand still  ,don't fidget, don't touch your hair.. 

and the most upsetting thing of all was a discussion that went on between a friends' and I with her 12 year old daughter we were sitting in the hall for some peace and quiet ( we had 12 ..11 and 12 year old boys in our group) Sarah had a crush on one of the boys in the group  and normally she gets all the attention ,she is a very pretty young lady , her mother allows her to wear blush and lipgloss occassionally...but this beautiful little girl was leaning against her mothers shoulder crying because all of these tarted up little girl roaming the halls had the boys all drooling and their eyes popping out of their heads and she was totally being ignored  she said she would never be as pretty as they are ... so I ask you just what message is turning these pretty little girls into plastic barbie doll figures that  think looks are all that matter and make other young ladies feel so inferior.. 

another thing that was upsetting was seeing littl babies as young as 6 months with makeup and wigs on  

what is the world coming to when a mother is allowed to do whatever she wants  just because she is the mother, these little girls are not allowed to have a normal childhood  and yes of course they are going to say they like it all and  that they enjoy it why wouldn't they it is all that has been drummed into the heads for as long as they can remeber.. 

and yes I believe the aunt and family has a right to speak up for health and wellbeing of the child ..we expect them to be there for our children if they are being abused in other ways why not in this way 

 
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February 16, 2006, 7:46 am PST

Glad your speaking out. We are not crazy mothers

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But I can't.  I actually think it's funny how these shows make pageant moms out to be deranged  lunatics who need to be immediately handcuffed by DSS.   My baby does pageants - yeah, the whole full-tilt boogie glitz thing.  We do it for one and only one reason.  Fun. Sorry no real expectations on life changing advantages - I look at it like going to Disneyland or Chuck E Cheese (oooh let's talk about honing those pre-gambling skills LOL)   Well, except one, my daughter has a real predisposition to being a tomboy and I like to think I can still keep her girlie LOL    I did find amusement when we took her up to the mountains and put her into ski school for three days.  I didn't tell them a thing up front (no reason to bring it up mind you) and she just blew the other toddlers away (so much so the director took her on the big mountain personally.)  You should have SEEN the looks on their faces when they asked if we were bringing her back the next week and we said no, she had a pageant!! Esp. when they asked if she wore makeup etc.  They couldn't believe this little ruff n tumble chick could clean up that way!!! soooo funny.  
You are right.   I bet your daughter has wonderful disposition. My daughter is outgoing and verbal, where as before pageants she was shy and would bearly speak. 
 
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February 16, 2006, 7:51 am PST

I think, you've gone too far when

you buy your child fake teeth to cover her natural beauty and/or go into debt.  Ballet lessons and other activities cost money, but they don't break the bank.
 
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February 16, 2006, 7:51 am PST

It's ridiculous.

I'm sorry, I know pageants are fun for some people, but the way Bonnie has this little girl looking is ridiculous, and it truly is creepy the way she looks with those teeth.  And for any Mom to neglect one child and focus so intently on the other one, it is just cruel. Ranel admitted on the show that she basically neglects her younger daughter.  That is just so sad.  What kind of self-esteem is this child going to have?  I'm surprised that Dr. Phil didn't call both of these Mom's out on the fact that they are causing harm to the both the child who is gettting too much attention and the one who is getting ignored.
 
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February 16, 2006, 7:57 am PST

I'm gonna side with the moms...to a point

About Madison; I have never had a problem with moms who enter their kids into natural beauty pageants.  Note I said "natural beauty".  I think it is a great esteem booster and it teaches kids to learn how to take rejection along with winning.  It becomes a problem when you start teaching your child that, as long as you change every single thing about yourself, you're a winner.  Fake tans and fake teeth do not belong on elementary school children.  A preschooler should not own stock in Estee Lauder.  And I don't know any middle-class families who have ever spent 64 grand on a "hobby", cumulative or otherwise.  Mothers must be careful not to make their distorted obsessions their kids' nightmares.  And the fact that moms are threatening to kill each other because they are jealous of the competition is just wrong.  Most importantly, please stop posting these dolled-up photos of your kids on the internet.  It gives me the creeps knowing that many perverts have performed sex acts on themselves looking at that child's picture.  Ewww, why isn't that mom completely torn apart by that? 

  

Brooklyn is a cutie.  She reminds me of a little girl that is currently co-hosting a PBS show called Zoom.  Unfortunately, there are many, many blonde haired, blue eyed girls out there.  Her chances are pretty slim.  As cute as she is, there are no distinguishing characteristics to her.  Nothing makes her stand out.  I don't have high hopes for her chances.  A casting agent probably gets a thousand pictures just like hers every day.  I hope she succeeds, but her mom needs to realize the odds aren't good.  I mean, how many kids do I see walk out of my own daughter's school every day that look just like Brooklyn?  At least fifty, and it's a smaller school.  I wish her luck anyway. 

  

Hunter is just charming.  He's going to take massive flack for being in pageants, and there's nothing that mom can do about it.  You can't change society's views, no matter how hard you try.  If he likes it, and he's willing to put up with the crap, I say let him.  I just have a bad feeling that Mom's own disturbed visions for him are affecting her hearing where his wishes are concerned.  Take the time to find out if he is willing to get made fun of for his "hobby".  And other people need to realize that this mom is no different than the mom who makes her son play football even though he hates it because it makes him a "man".  That's a stereotype.  Nobody should do anything they don't want to do. 

  

I hope all the moms make sensible decisions and carefully weigh the consequences before they proceed.  Think of the future of these adorable children and the affects of their pasttimes.  Take your own thoughts and opinions completely out of the picture.  Only then can you make an intelligent decision concerning your kids.  Good luck, no matter what you decide! 

 
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February 16, 2006, 8:09 am PST

pagents

I personally have never put my daughter or son in a pagent  

I do think there are good reasons to be in a pagent but I also agree that they have taken the real beauty of our children and have turned it into something creepy and ugly and that why is it so wrong to see a child without makeup I understand the cute ruffly dresses I don't understand the makeup and the fake hair and teeth I probably never will. 

I believe a kid should be able to be a kid whether it is on stage or just at home that is the only way they are going to have a happy childhood. I love watching my children on a daily basis love that my son is shy sensitive kid and has a smile that would light the world that does not mean I want to dress him up and put him on stage I would think more of it if they judge the kids on their real looks and not on what we can add to them to make them look like little adults.  As on the same token I love watching my daughter have a fine mixture of beautiful princess and tom boy that she has the confidence to tell a person in a nice and respectful way that she was hurt by them. I don't see that with most pagent children I see them being put on a puppet strings and told what to do . 

 
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February 16, 2006, 8:16 am PST

Fun, fun and more fun :-)

First of all, I would like to say honey your daughter is beautiful, with and with out her make up.  I have 4 daughters myself and they have all been in a pagent at some point and time.  The only one that enjoyed all the hoop was my youngest.  She is a camera hog! LOL.  We have so much fun.  She has never won anything but we still have fun.  In order to win these contests you have to put hundreds of dollars into it.  If you get your child some fake teeth and it makes her feel better about herself to get out there and enjoy what she is doing instead of being self coscience, then by golly you go ahead.  I know that my daughters still play dress up here at home and that consists of make up special clothes, hair peices and fake teeth (even though my daughter prefers fake vampire teeth LOL, she is so silly).  Would it make a difference if they were braces?  The extreme dress up is all part of the show.  In the movies Dr.Phill they do use make up on the children, I have seen that with my cousin Baily A. Drury, a big winner in her younger days.  Because of all these pagents her mom put her in she has winderful self esteme, is now a doctor and had her college completely paid for, and had the only child speaking part in the old movie cabin fever. I do not have the money to put into my daughters fun but let me tell you if I did I would spend it.  They are only young once and if they have fun doing this then what is the difference in this from any other hobby?  It is the jealous parents that have to have their child win at everything, not the kids, that makes a lot of bull for the children and parents who do win; they are the ones that need help.  What kind of a person or a mother at that, would say such mean and nasty things about a CHILD and direct it to them as well!?  These pagents are not just to look pretty, they do have scollarship programs and much more.  Tell me one thing and be honest, how far would you go to see a smile on your childs face? To let him or her feel like they are on top of the world.   Whether it be to cheer them on for a basketball game, or a pagent.  Imagine what it does to a childs ego when they do win.  When they are grown, maybe they will continue there pagent life, maybe they will just have wonderful memories, either way it is a good feeling.   I know that the opposite can happen if you do not talk to your child about what the pagent is about....FUN.   If you win that is the icing on the cake!  To talk about the kids crying at the last minute.  My kids always were so excited to get started and by the time they were at the pagent they did not want to do it, they were tired.  I am sorry but if they tell me they want to do something I always explain to them "if you start something, you will finish", and I give them the full truth and detail of what would be expected of them, there are no exceptions, whether it is a free pagent or one that cost hundreds of dollars.  Quiting is not an option.  For instance, my daughter was 5 yrs. old and she was in the middle of a pagent, and decided she wanted to quit, not because she was ill or fet up.  She was throwing one of the biggest fits. LOL.. I finally got her clamed down and reminded her of our family rule and that after we are done and the next pagent rolls around if you decide then that you no longer wish to do this then we will stop.  After the show she said "Thank you mommy, for helping me, I am glad you did not let me quit".  I think that was the year she got first place for her eyes, at the Sunburst pagent.  Anyway, bottom line, people out there that do not understand should not be so quick to judge.  Why should our children that like to do these extreme dress up pagents have to suffer because of jealous, or crazy people out there.  Some moms may take it to far like the Ramsey family, but we do not know the entire story on that either.  I think that the judges ought to disqualify mothers that speak such ill things.  Whether my daughter wins or looses she has fun and meets new girls that have become life long friends, on top of being in the spot light, even if it was only for 15 minutes LOL.  Thank you for reading my post.  God Bless you.
 
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February 16, 2006, 8:25 am PST

02/16 Trouble in the Spotlight

I feel like as long as the child enjoys being in the pageant and win or lose they can be happy why not? It is only when you end up with one of these prima donna attitude that I think it is to the detriment of the child. If they can still be well rounded and accepting of peoples differences and not judgmental of someone because of their looks then I don't see what harm it does as long as it does not put a strain on family finances.
 
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