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Topic : 08/14 Trouble in the Spotlight

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(Original Air Date: 02/16/06) Every parent thinks his or her child is special, but these mothers are obsessed with making their child a star -- so much so, they're willing to sacrifice their marriages and divide their families. Kari and Bonnie are sisters who are at war because Bonnie encourages her 8-year-old daughter to wear make-up, false teeth and spray-on tans to compete in high-glitz beauty pageants. Kari says the pageants should be outlawed, and fears her niece will become prey for pedophiles. Will Bonnie learn to see Kari's point of view? Then, Ranel is convinced her daughter is the next Dakota Fanning and will stop at nothing to see her child's name in lights. Her husband, Charles, says she's neglecting their younger daughter and their marriage. Can they come to an agreement? And, a mother faces criticism and mockery for putting her 6-year-old son in beauty pageants. Is she making a mistake? Talk about the show here

 

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February 16, 2006, 3:21 pm PST

Creating Little Snobs

If that childs comment that she didn't have to learn her ABC's, that her agent would do it for it isn't enough for that mother, I wonder what will be.  I have heard the argument that pagents teach them a lot of things they need to know in this life.  What you don't hear is that they are creating snobs.  These little girls think now & will grow up thinking even more that they aren't good enough as they are & neither is anyone else.  They will be the girls in High School who will make life miserable for the girls that don't cover their faces with makeup or use artificial things to make them more perfect.  I feel really sorry for them.  Shame on their mothers.
 
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February 16, 2006, 3:23 pm PST

My 11 year old son

and my other older boys allthought that this little girl was only dressing for an older male crowd. 

  

They wondered who her mother was trying to impress. They thought it ws really sick 

  

the boys could not believe how cute the real little girl was. They thought she looked like a fake barbie doll 

How terribly sad!! 

 
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February 16, 2006, 3:24 pm PST

Beyond creepy

 To me, this little girl was the spittin' image of Ross on "Friends"...
Remember the spray tan episode where Ross got an 8 and the episode where he bleached his teeth for 45 minutes and they glowed in the dark?  Funny for a sitcom, not funny in real life on an 8 year old girl.  And how can she win a beauty pagent when her fakness makes her look nothing like she really does??
 
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February 16, 2006, 3:25 pm PST

Equality

This is one expensive hobbie!  But I guess altering the looks of a litttle girl to make her "beautiful" is well worth it.  I would never put my daughter in these pageants, I have higher regard for her life and I would not want her to think that the only way she could ever be "beautiful" is to put on a ton of makeup, get fake teeth, and put on a wig.  What have the women before us worked so hard to get?  Equality!  And then parents go and put their daughters in these pagaents that are only based on beauty and what does that say to our daughters?  If you're pretty enough, you can get anything you want?  No, I'm sorry, but that puts all of the hard work the women that came before us down the drain.  Women want equality, to be accepted for who we are, not what we look like, and that doesn't work when some of us put our daughters on stage to be viewed and scored as to who is more "beautiful".  There are more important things in this world than a beauty contest. 
 

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February 16, 2006, 3:29 pm PST

02/16 Trouble in the Spotlight

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I THINK IF YOU DON'T DO PAGEANTS THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HOBBIES WE DO. PEOPLE ASK WHY THE FAKE HAIR, MAKE UP, ETC. WELL WHY DO MOTORCYCLE RACERS WEAR PROTECTIVE GEAR? IT'S PART OF THE GAME THATS WHY? MAKE UP AND HAIR IS PART OF THE GAME LADIES. THERE IS NO HARM INPAGEANTS. WE ARE NOT OUT TO HURT ANYONE IT'S JUST THAT WE DEFINE THIS AS A HOBBY JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE IS MOREFIGHTING AND BROKEN BONES IN SPORTS AND I WOULD SAY THATS HURTING SOMEONE. BUT THIS ISN'T HURTING ANYONE. I KNOW THAT EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT UNTIL YOU'VE TRIED DOING A PAGEANT, DON'T KNOCK IT. I'M SURE IF YOU PUT YOUR CHILD IN ONE AND SHE WON THEN YOU ALL WOULD BE THE SAME WAY.

Why do motorcycle racers wear protective gear?  Duh...because it's a dangerous sport and you can get hurt.  These pageants create "barbie dolls" that are unatural in every possible way.  Don't you wonder why it is only for the very youngest of girls?  Once they are of a certain age, these pageants don't want them anymore.    

 
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February 16, 2006, 3:29 pm PST

I don't like it

I have a daughter.  I think she is gorgeous, I get stopped daily and told so.  I WOULD NEVER SUBJECT MY DAUGHTER TO THIS CRAP!  These "mothers" are nothing but stage moms perpetrating their own shortcomings upon their innocent children.  They are usually overweight and have some kind of issues and wishing it was them up on the stage.   These children are brainwashed into thinking this is normal and eventually it becomes normal to them and all they think about is image.  Like some of the other posters said - why would you have them up there looking so fake?  What kind of skewed view of reality will these poor BABIES have?  I am all for team sports or activities for your child.  My kids are in Karate, skating, gymnastics and swimming, but I don't ALTER their appearance for these activities.  They aren't competing based on their looks!  Faking good looks isn't a talent, it's sick!
 
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February 16, 2006, 3:31 pm PST

Kids are a gift

In my opinion both mothers are running their own agenda's.   Both mother's have TWO children.  What kind of message are they sending to the other one?  That there is something wrong with them? Or worse yet,  they may be wondering if their mom even loves them at all!  Kid's are a GIFT from God.  They should be taken care of!!   NOT put on display!   

 
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February 16, 2006, 3:32 pm PST

What??

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I THINK IF YOU DON'T DO PAGEANTS THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HOBBIES WE DO. PEOPLE ASK WHY THE FAKE HAIR, MAKE UP, ETC. WELL WHY DO MOTORCYCLE RACERS WEAR PROTECTIVE GEAR? IT'S PART OF THE GAME THATS WHY? MAKE UP AND HAIR IS PART OF THE GAME LADIES. THERE IS NO HARM IN PAGEANTS. WE ARE NOT OUT TO HURT ANYONE IT'S JUST THAT WE DEFINE THIS AS A HOBBY JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE IS MORE FIGHTING AND BROKEN BONES IN SPORTS AND I WOULD SAY THATS HURTING SOMEONE. BUT THIS ISN'T HURTING ANYONE. I KNOW THAT EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT UNTIL YOU'VE TRIED DOING A PAGEANT, DON'T KNOCK IT. I'M SURE IF YOU PUT YOUR CHILD IN ONE AND SHE WON THEN YOU ALL WOULD BE THE SAME WAY.         
 Not EVEN close to the same thing.  Protective gear is for SAFETY.  If these girls are truly pretty, show them as they are, not w/all the crap to make them look like shrunken, 40 year old hookers.
 
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February 16, 2006, 3:35 pm PST

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I THINK IF YOU DON'T DO PAGEANTS THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HOBBIES WE DO. PEOPLE ASK WHY THE FAKE HAIR, MAKE UP, ETC. WELL WHY DO MOTORCYCLE RACERS WEAR PROTECTIVE GEAR? IT'S PART OF THE GAME THATS WHY? MAKE UP AND HAIR IS PART OF THE GAME LADIES. THERE IS NO HARM IN PAGEANTS. WE ARE NOT OUT TO HURT ANYONE IT'S JUST THAT WE DEFINE THIS AS A HOBBY JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE IS MORE FIGHTING AND BROKEN BONES IN SPORTS AND I WOULD SAY THATS HURTING SOMEONE. BUT THIS ISN'T HURTING ANYONE. I KNOW THAT EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT UNTIL YOU'VE TRIED DOING A PAGEANT, DON'T KNOCK IT. I'M SURE IF YOU PUT YOUR CHILD IN ONE AND SHE WON THEN YOU ALL WOULD BE THE SAME WAY.         
I don't think a good parent would put their kids in beauty pageants like this because it's completely superficial and driven by the parents ego. These are not even real because of all the fake items used. And no one can convince me that the kids are making the decision to enter these contests, it's the parents. If you win on beauty, and then your looks change,  where does that leave the kids self esteem.  This is what is likely to happen in the future, but of course there is always surgery to change every imperfection.
 
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February 16, 2006, 3:35 pm PST

02/16 Trouble in the Spotlight

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  Let me start of by saying I'm the father of a little girl that does pageants.  My daughter is my the focus of my life.  A couple of years ago my wife approached me wanting to enter my daughter in a small local pageant.  My lil girl wanted to try it as well.  I was dead against it.  Like many on here I had preconceived notions of how the pageant world was.  I hated the thoughts of pageants.  I had seen the TV documentaries.  I'd seen the Jon Benay Ramsey headlines and horror stories like everyone else.  I wanted nothing to do with beauty pageants.  But, this was a small local pageant so I decided to let my daughter try it just once.  My daughter entered the pageant.  No she didn't win, but she placed runner up.  I watched her face on the stage and she had a blast.  My daughter absolutely loved it.  So I thought if she really like it.  I'd give it a chance for awhile and let her do them.   

  

    My wife and I sat down and we laid out some ground rules on any future pageant endeavors.  That this wouldn't rule our life not more than any other childhood activity.  First and foremost this would only continue as long as my daughter enjoys it and wants to continue doing it.  That it wouldn't put us in a bind financially.  There were other things, but I'm not going to get into everything here today.  But the most important thing remained, that my daughter enjoyed doing them and that she wanted to do them.  Once that changed we'd no longer continue to do them. 

  

    Without going on and on about it.  My daughter started winning these local pageants and kept winning.  She lost occasionally, but she won a lot.  But it didn't matter if she won or she lost.  She had a blast.  We moved on up to bigger pageants on the state level and she did well at those to.  Well, we finally stepped into the big pageants, the nationals.  She took her lumps at first placing well but not winning.  But she was undaunted and continued to enjoy it.  When she finally won at this level she was thrilled.  But I noticed something, she still had the same demeanor she had when she competed and didn't win.  She just loved competing.  She loved dressing up in the pageant dresses, the beautiful outfits, getting her hair all fixed up and getting on stage.  She loves the functions that many of the pageants have for the girls.  The dances, pizza parties, playing in the pools at the hotels with the other girls.  She's made new friends at the pageants her own age from different places, different states that she would have never met.   

  

    But, the biggest thing I've noticed about my daughter since competing in pageants.  Confidence.  Not only at pageants but in life.  She's not afraid to get up in front of a room full of people and speak.  Be it an onstage question at a pageant or in front a room full of people, parents, and students at school.  Before she would barely speak to anyone until she was around them for a bit, not to mention get up in front a room full of folks.  Last year at one of the big pageants.  She was watching the older girls competing in the talent competitions.  She told her mother and I that she'd wanted to try that at the next pageant.  Something before she would never have considered.  So the next pageant she gets up in a huge ballroom full of people singing and dancing.  Before getting up on stage, I asked her if she was scared.  She said no Daddy, I'm fine.  Little did she know I was plenty nervous for her.  She amazed me.  Nope, she didn't win talent.  But she was so happy with herself getting up there and competing.  

  

    Now there has to be balance in life.  My daughter does plenty besides pageants.  She takes tap and ballet.  She plays both baseball and basketball.  I'll support her in whatever endeavor she wants to try in life.  I still ask her to this day, do you still enjoy doing pageants.  She still says yes. 

  

    I only posted on here because I just happen to be flipping channels and seen Bonnie on TV.  So I got on here, checked out this site, and read the message boards.  I've met both Bonnie and Madison.  Only once at a pageant last year.  They were lovely people and great to get to know.  Madison and my daughter played together and had fun.  I talked with Bonnie and found her to be a very genuine person who supports her daughters endeavors.  Madison didn't seem to be forced to do this.  She was in fact just the opposite.  Madison seemed to really enjoy pageantry.  I even talked to her about it.  Madison is a very normal little girl who just happens to be very very good on the pageant scene.  It's easy to judge something when your on the other side of the fence looking over.  I know, I shared many of the same thoughts and notions many of you do.  But once I got to see the other side and really understood what was going on.  I changed my mind.  My daughter changed my mind.  Attending a pageant is a family event for us.  My wife and I both go with my daughter..  It's something we all enjoy.   When and if my daughter finally decides to hang up her tiara.  Then it's over.  

Thank You for taking the time to write your message. There are a lot of negative comments on this message board but have you noticed that no one had a comment to yours? Could it be that you have the right idea? Absolutely! The decisions affect your family and "your" family (all of you) are involved in making the decisions. I commend you for your involvement with your daughters interests. This will help your daughter when she has a husband and children. Both my parents were very involved with my interests and my brothers interests when we were growing up. They were our biggest fans, and always proud of us. It did not matter to them if we won or lost the fact is we tried and had fun. Dignity, honesty and passion are big values in life. Great Job!   
 
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