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Topic : 08/14 Trouble in the Spotlight

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(Original Air Date: 02/16/06) Every parent thinks his or her child is special, but these mothers are obsessed with making their child a star -- so much so, they're willing to sacrifice their marriages and divide their families. Kari and Bonnie are sisters who are at war because Bonnie encourages her 8-year-old daughter to wear make-up, false teeth and spray-on tans to compete in high-glitz beauty pageants. Kari says the pageants should be outlawed, and fears her niece will become prey for pedophiles. Will Bonnie learn to see Kari's point of view? Then, Ranel is convinced her daughter is the next Dakota Fanning and will stop at nothing to see her child's name in lights. Her husband, Charles, says she's neglecting their younger daughter and their marriage. Can they come to an agreement? And, a mother faces criticism and mockery for putting her 6-year-old son in beauty pageants. Is she making a mistake? Talk about the show here

 

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August 15, 2006, 1:53 pm PDT

What other skills????

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I get really tired of hearing how bad beauty pageants are for little girls.  Unless you have put a child in a beauty pageant,  no has any room to talk.  My daughter has done pageants for 4 years now and loves them.  It taught her to have self confidence and taught her skills she can use later in life, such as how to present herself in an interview.  There are a lot more things to a pageant than just big hair and makeup.

Other than presenting herself in an interview?  What other skills do pagaents teach children to get through life?  I'd like to know.......Children at such a young age can get the self-confidence they need from the encouragement, love and support from their families and parents without having to go through the stress of pageants.  So, if there's more than just big hair and make-up to pageants, what are they????  Other than how to present yourself in an interview.

 

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I have very young daughter who is absolutely beautiful on the outside and inside.  I refuse to spend the kind of money it requires (and I don't have to worry about money) for these girls to go through what they go through for pageants.  I don't want my child to have any future psychological issues these pageants can create.

 

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August 15, 2006, 2:28 pm PDT

madison's mom needs a reality check

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I just adored your rant. I have three beautiful and talented (I feel , and I will admit I am a bit biased as all mothers are!), and I wouldn't put them through that crap. I mean, I will sign them up for dance or skating or drama or t-ball if they wanted to (and they'd have to go through with it for more than a day. I wouldn't let my kids cop out if I forked over the dough! But if they truly didn't like it anymore after the six month mark, fine, at least you tried). I dunno. It just seems to really put a black mark on the children's self esteem. Like you wrote, why put on all that fakeness? It's not you winning. And what if your child doesn't win or doesn't get the part? What then? What if all your avenues burn up and you are left in the same place you started out as? Or, ironically enough, what if the child you are ignoring turns out to be the future shining star just to get back at the parents or impress the parents? Then you are left with one sibling full of resentment over being ignored and the other being resentful or their sibling succeeding where they failed. It's way too much pressure for anyone under adolesence to take. (Even teenagers should think twice). It, to me, is all delussions of grandure. They don't see the future (I agree with daddy #2, most, not all, child stars have problems, drugs, multi-marriges, drinking, prostitution, eating disorders, besides, what is more degrading for a brilliant star who is in the "where are they now" columns?). The parents want to life vicariously through their kids. I admit, I wanted to be an actress and a "rock star" and I feel I am talented enough. But it ain't gunna happen. And there is no way in hell I am going to force my child into doing this for my sake. If they come to me in ten years from now and say this is truly what they want. I'd do my damndest to make it happen, BUT, I would want them to focus on other talents and abilities they possess and have a plan B and C and D, because you just never know. Also, it's been my experience that a mom and wife who spends the family fortune on her own desires and leaves the husband bankrupt, blames the man for not making enough even though it is SHE spending it all (I will admit this is a bias and there are couples who together become bankrupt for stupid reasons or the husband doing this to the wife), but what happens if it all falls apart? Then what? I agree with your post and just wanted to add to it, God bless you and if you are a mom, good luck and good job with your kids. (If you aren't, you're heading for a great start with your attitude).

OK I THINK MADISON'S MOM IS IN TOTAL DENIAL, SHE HAS NO CLUE WHAT SHE IS DOING TO HER DAUGHTER, NOT TO MENTION HER OTHER CHILD WHOM SHE APPARENTLY DOES NOT GIVE A HOOT ABOUT.  ALL THE TIME SHE WAS ON STAGE IT WAS ALL ABOUT HER. I WANT, I NEED" I I I I I I  I I      AD NAUSEOUS.  SHE IS TURNING HER DAUGHTER INTO A SELF CENTERED LITTLE DIVA WHO THINKS THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND HER.  WHEN A CHILD TELLS HER KINDERGARTEN TEACHER THAT SHE IS NOT GOING TO LEARN HER ALPHABET, HER AGENT CAN DO IT FOR HER, ENOUGH SAID, THAT IS A GIANT RED FLAG.  IN MY OPINION THAT MOTHER IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM EMOTIONAL ABUSE, NOT ONLY OF MADISON BOT HER OTHER CHILD AS WELL, SHE NEEDS TO WAKE UP TO THE DAMAGE SHE IS DOING TO HER CHILD

 
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August 15, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

Caution needed

I am concerned about the mental health of these very young girls getting involved in pagents and wearing makeup, sexy outfits and gruelling schedules.  What happened to letting kids be kids.  I do believe it is great to expose your child to various activities -- sports, music, sightseeing, reading, etc.  Parents must use caution to not try to live their lives vicariously through their children.  This seems to be the case with the parents highlighted on the show.

 

I would like to see a follow-up show in the next five years to check on the children on the show.

 
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August 15, 2006, 7:22 pm PDT

Beauty Contestants

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It sounds to me like the "modeling agency" was telling you what you wanted to hear so you'd pay the $2,500. I can't know this for sure, of course, but I do know that there are rip-off outfits like that out there. And I agree with those who say that the picture of the young girl looks creepy. She's prettier without all that makeup and fake teeth that look fake.
I have read all the posts with great interest.  I sense that these two mothers have issues very uniquely their own and may be trying to live through their daughters.  Perhaps, they wanted to do these sort of things growing up and were not allowed or the mothers are proving something to their families. Perhaps, they are trying to keep up with the Jones (which will destroy a marriage and family faster than you'd imagine).  Another thought is they have marital problems and they use this tactic to cover it up which only makes it worse.  I will say, if this is the case, it is NOT worth it.  Based on what you might feel after reading all these posts, check in with a Psychologist (Dr Phil endorsed of course), and check out the real issues behind the need to exploit your daughters.  I sense you have created situations that will come back and haunt you and make your daughter's life very difficult in the teen years.  The very thought of this happening because of a mother's choice turns my stomach.  If i was in your shoes and realized that what i was doing was harmful to my girls, I would put an end to it now.  It is NOT too late to stop this crazy exploitation and allow these girls a normal childhood.  Best wishes!
 
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August 15, 2006, 8:37 pm PDT

Trouble in the spotlight

I have a son who is 5 when CJ was 3 and he took interest in drumming, and when he was 4 he took interest in the bass. Cj is able to locate music vidoes on internet through google and listens to music on the computers music, player he drums, sings and plays guitar right along to the music. Sometimes CJ will play without any music, just a tune in his head and he will drum along. None of this is forced on my son nor did he take any formal instructions. 

You will know if your child will be special and you must let that develop in itself until your child requests formal lessions.

We did buy a set of drums and a bass at a second hand music store with amps for a total of 300.00 CAD. let your kids be kids first  

 
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August 16, 2006, 5:10 am PDT

Show Made me Sic

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I have read all the posts with great interest.  I sense that these two mothers have issues very uniquely their own and may be trying to live through their daughters.  Perhaps, they wanted to do these sort of things growing up and were not allowed or the mothers are proving something to their families. Perhaps, they are trying to keep up with the Jones (which will destroy a marriage and family faster than you'd imagine).  Another thought is they have marital problems and they use this tactic to cover it up which only makes it worse.  I will say, if this is the case, it is NOT worth it.  Based on what you might feel after reading all these posts, check in with a Psychologist (Dr Phil endorsed of course), and check out the real issues behind the need to exploit your daughters.  I sense you have created situations that will come back and haunt you and make your daughter's life very difficult in the teen years.  The very thought of this happening because of a mother's choice turns my stomach.  If i was in your shoes and realized that what i was doing was harmful to my girls, I would put an end to it now.  It is NOT too late to stop this crazy exploitation and allow these girls a normal childhood.  Best wishes!

I think it's discussing!!  Fake teeth and the works.   Ur daughter is beautiful the way she is... and not a dress up Barbie Doll.  What about that 65K that U have spent on this child's "necessities" as U call them.  Those  bucks would go alot farther in a bank for her college education.   Just MIGHT pay for the first semister.   U said that U were putting $$ away for her college education... but I just have a gut feeling that it is no where towards 65K.

 

I would love to see Ur kid in about 6 years..see what difference she has made.  Of course.. U'll have to get new teeth.. cuz she will have probably outgrown them.

 

Sincerely ~ SharonAnn

 
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August 16, 2006, 11:47 am PDT

exploitation of children

This show has brought  back the memory of Jon Benet who's case has shamelessly not been

solved.I believe these pageants do exploit children and social services should step in and protect

the children.I'm not saying the parents do not have good intentions for their children but it is a playing ground for pediphiles.We need laws to govern these pageants.

 

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August 16, 2006, 12:01 pm PDT

08/14 Trouble in the Spotlight

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You're forgetting the enormous difference between you and the children from last night's show.  Your age!  You're 16 years old.....these children are FIVE!   Why don't you do your homework and look at the possible psychological and emotional issues it can cause in a child that young.  The minds of children that young are still like sponges and still forming.  And what about self-esteem and social issues?  At such a VERY YOUNG AGE, these mother's are teaching them that they need fluff and stuff to look beatiful.  So, by the time they turn 16 and find themself not looking beautiful like some of their friends who are naturally beautiful...do you think it's okay for these children to start thinking of plastic surgery?  Or breast augmentation?  Children have enough on their pressure on their plate without parents or mothers pushing them to look like something they're not.  Obviously being only 16 years, you haven't quite got a grasp on the real world or the reality of the emotional and psychological issues involved where young children are concerned.  Wait until you're a mother and you'll see what some of these other mothers are talking about!

 

 

 There is a big age difference between you & those little girls, My oldest daughter modeled & was our states Queen. She always had the opportunity as a child also but i would not let her i felt she was to young to understand . She was 15 she when she  started to model & enter pagents she won all she competed in from the first year. She did model for local stores & some major retail stores catolog, & a bridal book, she had a ball learned how to have confidence, poise, sportsmenship and made loads of new friends,learned  all about fasion,make-up she loved) She never!!!! had to wear false teeth fake hair , or false tans, or fake boobs my daughter is small chested & always wanted to get her boobs inlarged, but soon found out that did not matter. As she started getting all the jobs & winning the pagents she found she did not need the big boobs. I just feel that these little girls are not in reputable pagents, something is terribly wrong, MOMS GET THEM OUT OF THERE
 
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August 16, 2006, 3:27 pm PDT

In the Spotlight

If only the mothers could see what happens.  In the Benet Ramsey case, they just found a suspect, a teacher.  Children must not be made to look grown up and make adult gestures when modeling.  Leave these children to remain children in child clothes and the nuts that run around looking for little girls will have to look harder.  Please let these children model only as children.  Please!!!!!  They look sick as grown little girls.
 

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August 16, 2006, 5:34 pm PDT

08/14 Trouble in the Spotlight

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This show has brought  back the memory of Jon Benet who's case has shamelessly not been

solved.I believe these pageants do exploit children and social services should step in and protect

the children.I'm not saying the parents do not have good intentions for their children but it is a playing ground for pediphiles.We need laws to govern these pageants.

 

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Man I bet you feel weird huh!?!? I know I would! LOL

Now that an arrest has been made in this case I can't help but wonder once again, if her being in pageants didn't attract her murderer?

There has to be a middle of the road. You have some people who are to scared to even put a pic of their child online to share with friends and family, and then you have others who parade their kids like poodles.
 
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