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Topic : 06/28 Family Troublemakers

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Created on : Friday, February 10, 2006, 12:50:54 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/17) Too many of us have a relative who stirs the pot. Meet a family who feels held captive by their youngest daughter, Marcie. Russ and Cheryl say every day is tension-filled because Marcie's "Jekyll and Hyde" outbursts have them living on the edge. Russ and his oldest daughter, Carrie, issue Marcie an ultimatum. Then, Amy and Leesa believe their mother, Myra, is the quintessential "drama queen." They say her overbearing behavior and sharp tongue make family gatherings a living hell! Find out the New Year's resolution Myra made that rubbed her daughters the wrong way. Talk about the show here.

 

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February 19, 2006, 9:19 am PST

02/17 Family Troublemakers

Quote From: wyohos

That family was either on their best behavior or not even close to as horrible as my in-laws are. And at least they all cared enough about each other to show up and go on tv with it. My husband and I have tried more than once to get the family together to talk things over....and no one even shows up. We have tried one on one meetings, and again, no one shows. They just want to tell everyone they run accross how horrible I am and what a looser I am and how our marriage is never going to last. I think this show may have helped some people, but I think Dr. Phil needs to do a show with people who's family members behave that way (or worse) and will not come to the table and try to work it out. How do you explain to a child why grandma, grandpa and the aunties hate mommy? What about hollidays or family get togethers? Do you go and try to be part of the family and be involved, and go home feeling worse for having attended? What if you would rather not? At what point is it OK to protect yourself and your feelings and our children and just not have any contact with those people? 

I've lived this one!!  My family on my father's side is "different"  When I became pregnant as a teenager they were all happy, throwing a baby shower etc.  As I grew older I discovered that these same family members  who professed love were the ones saying the nastiest and dirtiest things about me.  This all came to head when our "family" made a website so we could all keep in contact together.  I posted an announcement that my brother was having another baby.  Their response, you're not part of the family, go make your own family web page.  I was ousted out of my own father's family!!  As much as it hurt at the time and as much as I didn't really quite understand it, I really could care less about what these people have to say about me.  My family consists of my beautiful daughter whom I raised alone and is the absolute perfect child (either I got very lucky or I did one hell of a job), my mother and father, 2 brothers and their wives and my wonderful  friends.  They cut me out so they no longer exist in my world.  There is nothing wrong with keeping distance from these "family members" who have nothing to do but talk trash about everyone else.  To me, they're the ones with the problem not me and my life is happy without their drama!!  Stay away for your own sanity not theirs!!
 
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February 19, 2006, 9:31 am PST

The cycle

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This woman's daughter may need a whole lot of things, but what she and no one else needs is a mother who's prone to implying her daughter is a psycho on a public message board, causing more damage than good, solving nothing.  You're lucky your mother is wonderful.  I suspect this other daughter is not so lucky, from what her mother has chosen to say out loud.  The "poor me" aspect of parents is appalling nowadays.  If you're not in it for the long haul, don't get into it at all.
 I agree. This is why the cycle continues.
 
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February 19, 2006, 9:34 am PST

Yes

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You say "We have always been close, but since she has been on her own we have started butting heads.", yet you say "she says that I am part of the problem...that I am the reason for some of her bad feelings that she has deep inside." 

Those two statements blatantly contradict each other. How could you have had such a close relationship and yet _not__  known that she had such deep seeded, negative, feelings towards you? This is especially true if there are "... things that I have done in the past. Things that I can not do anything about now...because they are in the past. Things? What are things? You say over and over THINGS. "She says I have said things....." "..........and she can't seem to remember the exact things." Maybe it's these things that are your problem. Notice I said your problem. She doesn't sound like a family trouble maker, she sounds like a young lady in need of direction or maybe some support. YOU are the parent and as my own mother would say she's nothing but a baby. 

She may be over 18 but that doesn't make you an adult. I'm in my 20's, married, with kids and if you ask my mom would still say I'm her baby. 

Well said. So many parents today do not really care what their children are up to as long as they're not doing something that will cause them embarassment in their social circles.
 
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February 19, 2006, 10:29 am PST

Dealing with Moochers!

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Well said. So many parents today do not really care what their children are up to as long as they're not doing something that will cause them embarassment in their social circles.
I had to deal with "MOOCHERS" the most of my life.  I finally got tired of them and paid them one lump sum, they have never said thanks, that was some 20 years ago.  I then started a new life over and I have enjoyed my life ever since.  I do not have anyone special in my life, but I refuse to pay for friendship.
 
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February 19, 2006, 11:22 am PST

This is the most valuable thing I've read on these message boards

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When one of my daughters started to act out at six years old I ignored it for a couple of months.  I'd just try to calm her down and sooth her.  Then she started to develop breasts.  The problem was she was starting to go through puberty because of ovarian cysts.  Just knowing helped relieve the stress but it was hard for a while..   

  

I have also worked with kids that had behavioral problems that stemmed from hearing distortions, they can't understand half the things going on around them and so get frustrated and you can end up locked in a battle because you perceive things so differently.   

  

I know Dr Phil advocates tough love etc. but if you are not just on a different page than your child but in a different world you just frustrate each other..  There are a lot of physical problems that lead to behavioral problems so it never hurts to get them checked out.  I would hope Dr. Phil has the children on his program checked out physically. 

You are  so right!  I love Dr. Phil, his show, his books and his advice.  I don't always agree with him.  I have a child with behavioral problems too...and his behavioral problems stem from medical issues.  Like Dr. Phil, I'm an advocate for tough love, but in the sense that I do not enable my child to use his medical conditions as a crutch, or as green light if you may, to do or say things that are rude, inappropriate or outright disrespectful. Knowing there is a medical condition helps the parent understand the child better, but it should never be used as an excuse for a child to misbehave. 
 
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February 19, 2006, 11:30 am PST

Oh please! Enough already!

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You can't be an adult and a child. Let us again look at these facts... 

1. Twenty years of age. (three years ago at seventeen she was a child, but now at twenty she is magically an adult?) 

2. Can't keep minimum grade point average to stay in school.(sounds very mature.) 

3. Shrugs off responsibility.  

She may have been spoiled rotten but that was not her fault. That fault belongs the parent. 

She may be unprepared for the outside world and the responsiblity that comes along with it, also the fault of her parent. 

We cannot control what happens to us as children, you are correct. However, when we turn 18 or 21 what did happen doesn't magically go away. It takes time. 

The butting heads didn't start until she moved out on her own because that is when she started to break away. 

She is still a child. This lady needs to except responsibility for the fact that her child may still need her in spite of being in a  disagreement about school or whatever. School is not nearly as important as her well being and if that means getting her issues straight before finishing school it may be worth it. 

  

I only refered to this woman as a child, because anyone who is a mother knows and understands, that no matter how old your offspring is, in your eyes and in your heart, they will always be your child.  You are right that healing of childhood hurts takes time.  It also takes effort and a personal commitment to free oneself from hurt and the limitations that are caused as a result.  I don't have sympathy for this woman's "child" because I had a pretty screwed up childhood myself, and although I know not everyone's like me, I chose, early on, not to be a slave to my past.  I also put myself through school, worked 32 hours a week and went to school time and half....I wasn't getting along with my parents at the time, but instead of throwing in their face how screwed up my life had turned out because of them, I made a CHOICE, to do better for myself. So no, I think this is a lazy, spoiled brat, who is using her parents as a scapegoat for her shortcomings.  If she keeps this up she will amount to nothing in life.  I can't blame her parents for that.
 
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February 19, 2006, 3:07 pm PST

She's Not You

Quote From: blackie22

I only refered to this woman as a child, because anyone who is a mother knows and understands, that no matter how old your offspring is, in your eyes and in your heart, they will always be your child.  You are right that healing of childhood hurts takes time.  It also takes effort and a personal commitment to free oneself from hurt and the limitations that are caused as a result.  I don't have sympathy for this woman's "child" because I had a pretty screwed up childhood myself, and although I know not everyone's like me, I chose, early on, not to be a slave to my past.  I also put myself through school, worked 32 hours a week and went to school time and half....I wasn't getting along with my parents at the time, but instead of throwing in their face how screwed up my life had turned out because of them, I made a CHOICE, to do better for myself. So no, I think this is a lazy, spoiled brat, who is using her parents as a scapegoat for her shortcomings.  If she keeps this up she will amount to nothing in life.  I can't blame her parents for that.


You don't know this woman's daughter and you've only heard one side of the story. This is not you incarnate, this is someone you don't know. It sounds like you had a very different relationship with your parents than this girl had with hers.
 
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February 19, 2006, 10:05 pm PST

I so agree with you

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Dr. Phil, 

  

It was inappropriate for the oldest daughter to tell her mother that "she needed to earn respect to get it".  This may be true in everyday relationships but that is no way to talk to the woman that gave you life.  It doesn't matter how bad your mom is, no child should talk to their parent that way.  It is a no wonder the oldest daughter is alone and unmarried.  Could it be that she is either just like her mom or she is on the road to becoming like her.  I have to say that it is not all the mother's fault.  I don't blame her for making 2006 all about her.  She obviously does have some work to do on herself, but with a daughter like that, its a no wonder she feels the need to focus on herself.  NO CHILD, ADULT OR NOT, SHOULD SAY TO HER MOM, "YOU HAVE TO EARN MY RESPECT TO GET IT". 

  

  

  

  

You are right no matter what the mother has done and she has issues believe me!  That woman doesn't repect her mother and that is wrong!
 
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February 20, 2006, 6:01 am PST

02/17 Family Troublemakers

Quote From: blackie22

I only refered to this woman as a child, because anyone who is a mother knows and understands, that no matter how old your offspring is, in your eyes and in your heart, they will always be your child.  You are right that healing of childhood hurts takes time.  It also takes effort and a personal commitment to free oneself from hurt and the limitations that are caused as a result.  I don't have sympathy for this woman's "child" because I had a pretty screwed up childhood myself, and although I know not everyone's like me, I chose, early on, not to be a slave to my past.  I also put myself through school, worked 32 hours a week and went to school time and half....I wasn't getting along with my parents at the time, but instead of throwing in their face how screwed up my life had turned out because of them, I made a CHOICE, to do better for myself. So no, I think this is a lazy, spoiled brat, who is using her parents as a scapegoat for her shortcomings.  If she keeps this up she will amount to nothing in life.  I can't blame her parents for that.

The point is this... at 20 some people, according to how they were raised, are not 'adult' enough to make the correct decisions. 

If you raise your child as a 'spoiled brat' they will be unprepared for the outside world and the responsibility of it. And that is the fault of the parent. 

It's wonderful that you made the most of your life, and I wish you well. 

However, not all people are that strong and it sounds like to me this woman just needs to give her daughter a little understanding and support. 

Then, maybe the daughter can get past her issues and turn her life around. 

 
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February 20, 2006, 7:41 am PST

The 2 daughters are spoiled, yes they are

You spoiled brats forget that Myra is you mother and even if you are pissed off at her, you need to respect her. Maybe when you are her age, you will realize what idiots you looked like on TV. Until then, sit down and shut up.
 
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