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(Original Air Date: 02/20/06) Meet three women who each admit to being a "bitch" and proud of it! Kristine, Teresa and Lois all say their demanding bitchiness gets them what they want when they want it. But Dr. Phil challenges their thinking. Is it really working for them? What is behind their bitchy bias, and would their lives change for the better with an attitude adjustment? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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February 20, 2006, 9:23 pm PST

In one ear and out the other!

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Its Kristine......h.wow!!! Thanks for watching 

  

Don't believe everything..after all it is TV. 

One of the things not mentioned is that the sister one the show is one of the things I got, buy being 

assertive - I found her and 6 other sisters and the mother who gave us all away. 

  

I have accomplished more in the last 2 years than most do in a life time, as far as research, 

spiritual development, and helping others. 

  

I am happy - thanks for the advice of those who think I live this miserable life with noone and all I need is a good doc and medicine..laugh....but its not about that. 

  

I couldn't possibly begin to tell you the good things that were eliminated from the tapings, and  

the other things hyped up for tv...all I can say is if you can pass judgement on someone by 

this show...your the one fooled. 

  

God Bless.. 

  I guess the the good doc did not tell you what you wanted to hear. Blame the editors; they took away the REAL parts of the show. I guess that some people will always live in denial and never accept responsibility for their actions. The title of the show was, and sadly, remains the same. Too bad. In this case it's not just your loss but all of the rest of us.
 
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February 20, 2006, 9:31 pm PST

02/20 Are You a Bitch?

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And tell me why you think I should change my mind?  Are you saying what was portrayed wasn't true?  If it's not, then I have to tell you it was a very good display of anger and self- righteousness.  Explain to me in detail where everything went wrong, explain to me what was taken out.
 
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February 20, 2006, 9:56 pm PST

What's the impact of

This show touched a nerve with me.  It's sad that these "bitches" don't understand the impact they have on others (or don't care) and the impact we let them have on us.  My situation with a "bitch" was work-related; she was my boss.  I kept chalking it up to a personality conflict.  But in the end, I realized that anyone who treated people WITHOUT dignity, trust and respect was a bitch.  I realized it wasn't me as I watched her humiliate and publicly ridicule my co-workers, too.  The sad thing is is that she had a huge and adverse effect on my success at work and how I am perceived to this day.  Although I no longer work for her (Thank you, Lord!  She's been promoted to a position where no one reports to her, go figure that one????), the perception that I have performance issues is still there with my current boss.  Bitches can make your life miserable and poison others against you.  Don't misread me.  I am not helpless or a victim.  I stopped acting as the victim a long time ago.  At the same time, you have to recognize when it makes sense to stop investing yourself in this relationship/company.  So, I, an employee with 30 years of combined work experience, almost 4 years at this company, with an outstanding record every place I have ever worked, am now dubbed a  "poor performer".  This company is going to lose an excellent worker, experienced, intelligent, committed and loyal (well, at least I used to be).  I'm sure I am not the only good employee who was lost because of a bitch.  But I wonder if the company I work for, or other companies in general, have any idea of the cost of having a "bitch" run amok in their organization?  When a "bitch" is in a position of power over others, it cannot be good for that company's bottom line.  Thoughts anyone?
 
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February 20, 2006, 10:23 pm PST

So much more than snot, heh heh

Whether they’re buying at a local drug store or the ritziest downtown boutique, eating fast food, or at a five star restaurant, they are eating (touching, drinking) a LOT more than SNOT! If you don’t act like a HUMAN, you’re not going to get treated like one. 

  

  

Also, CUSTOMER SERVICE DOESN'T MEAN CUSTOMER'S SERVANTS! When you pay SOMEONE ELSE to do something you are too lazy, too busy, etc., to take care of yourself, you should be THANKFUL for any help. If you’re EVER being rude, unreasonable, arguing, demanding, unprepared, or even just calling or insisting on talking to the wrong department, YOU ARE INTERFERING WITH THAT PERSON'S JOB! 

  

  

If you’re LUCKY and the person you’re bullying is nice, you’ll get ignored, pitied, or hung up on. If you’re like most aggressive customers, YOU'RE GETTING LOST IN THE SYSTEM UNTIL IT'S TIME TO USE YOUR CREDIT RATING TO SCRUB TOILETS, or eating snot, or not getting that shoe in your size, or whatever service is being provided. 

 
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February 20, 2006, 10:25 pm PST

Except that...

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they do

they don't. 

  

  

Lying to oneself or others, is not a basis for an relationship. 

 
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February 20, 2006, 10:26 pm PST

02/20 Are You a Bitch?

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Well, I cringed when I saw the name of this show because I thought to myself, "oh hell, this is me"  but actually I don't think that now.  I'm sure they're are some people that may still disagree but  those people are probably the ones that pushed me into a corner and a little bit of bitch came out!!  LOL. I would now say more than ever than I am definately assertive.  I do nice things for people first, I greet everyone nicely first, I don't wait for someone to do something nice for me first and I don't expect people to step aside to let me pass by.  However, if I feel or know that I am right, or feel strongly about something I will standup for myself in a heartbeat and depending on how far "they" want to take it, they may get the "bitch".  I don't let me talk to me or treat me any kind of way, however I don't demand anything from them either.  Most people feel you out a little before they 'take you on' so to speak, and I think most people that know me will tell you that I would give you the shirt off my back, but they also know not to mistreat me or try to 'runover' me.  And yes, I have eat 'sh-t' before, who hasn't?  Sometimes I do it just because I don't feel like having a confrontation.  Depending on the situation at hand has alot to do with the way I handle it and I'm sure some people would say, 'Nah, she's just a pure bitch'.  Oh well, I think the ones that think that are the ones that didn't get away with making me a doormat and they're pissed off because they couldn't make me a doormat like they have everyone else in their lives.  I'm not too good at being a doormat, but I'm not aggressive about it.  I found out early on when I was young growing up, my Daddy was physically and verbally abusive, and I made up my mind that I would not allow no one else in this world to talk to me, or treat me that way ever again, and that I wouldn't treat anyone else like that either.  I am so careful with my now, 12 year old daughter that I don't  treat her like that.  And I tell her everyday, a million times a day, that I love her and how proud I am of her, which is something I never heard from my mama or daddy.  My childhood could have made me a real bitch but I chose to use that experience differently, simple because I remember how bad and worthless it made me feel.  I think women (or men) that are real 'bitches' have a history that has made them that way to a certain degree.  Maybe they don't know any other way to behave???   

  

Sorry so long, had to vent!! 

  

Goldilox 

  

P.S.  I wander if Dr. Phil ever reads these message boards??  : ) 

well.... Two of the three woman are me most of the time i hate all men except my father i dont like me at all right now i dont deserve anything nice that has happened to me god help me i just wanna die I nearly lost the man in my life 1 year 6 months and 1 day ago. You would think that moment when I found him in his truck YES I FOUND HIM I CAME UP THE ROAD SECONDS AFTER IT HAPPENED  that moment in time should have changed me for the better the only thing that did was i got more bitch in me how do i change to the real me of my younger self before my exhusband came into my life
 
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February 20, 2006, 11:04 pm PST

02/20 Are You a Bitch?

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well  to me   a person thats a bitch   is someone  with a   attitude  problem  toward  life and others.. also think they are all that.   think they are better then others..    thats what a bitch is.  a woman   should not be that way.   it makes others want to stay away from  you.
"It makes other want to stay away from you."  Wouldn't that be what Dr. Phill would call the "payoff"??? 
 
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February 21, 2006, 12:23 am PST

Kristine the B

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Its Kristine......h.wow!!! Thanks for watching 

  

Don't believe everything..after all it is TV. 

One of the things not mentioned is that the sister one the show is one of the things I got, buy being 

assertive - I found her and 6 other sisters and the mother who gave us all away. 

  

I have accomplished more in the last 2 years than most do in a life time, as far as research, 

spiritual development, and helping others. 

  

I am happy - thanks for the advice of those who think I live this miserable life with noone and all I need is a good doc and medicine..laugh....but its not about that. 

  

I couldn't possibly begin to tell you the good things that were eliminated from the tapings, and  

the other things hyped up for tv...all I can say is if you can pass judgement on someone by 

this show...your the one fooled. 

  

God Bless.. 

Hey, all I can say is, there is a reason you got on the show... 

  

I think Dr. Phil should do a show where you get to confront some of the awful people from your childhood. I'd rearrange my schedule to see that show! 

  

Sounds like from your statement, "the mother who gave us all away," you have issues with your bio mom, and rightly so I'm sure. Were you adopted then, or lived out your childhood in the system? Our past is what makes us who we are and it would be interesting to know more about yours. 

  

I admittedly have a bitch button that when it is pushed, look out! But, over the years I have been trying to surpress it more and more. 9 times out of 10 when I have gone off on someone, I end up feeling like a fool later. I do take an antidepressant and it has really helped me with my anger (bitch) issues and I can tell you, I am a much happier person and like myself much better when my bitchiness is under control. 

  

The best compliment someone can give me is to say they respect me. A true bitch would say they don't care if someone respects them or not but a true bitch is never respected in the real meaning of the word, so she wouldn't know how it feels. To say you respect someone for being a horrible person (bitch) is an oxymoron. Once you get a taste of true respect, it is something you strive for. 

  

Kristine, I wish you all the best. Try getting what you want by treating people with kindness and respect. I think you will be surprised at the results! 

 
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February 21, 2006, 1:17 am PST

No, they'd be abusers

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When men get upset, yell, hollar, whatever, he's accepted as getting what he wants. It's the, "Yes, sir!" attitude & it gets the job done. However, when a woman stands up for herself by having to yell after she cannot get her point across nicely & firmly, is considered a bitch! Double standard? I think so! Sorry, Phil! How about having a show about men who yell too much to get what they want? It wouldn't be called a, "Bitchfest" now would it?
 

Men doing the same thing are abusers. These women are abusers and it is upsetting to see them labelled as bitch's. Abusers, nothing more and nothing less, that is what these women are.

Sadly, we live in a society that openly supports a woman's right to be abusive to any male. That is the sadest and grossest thing about our society.

So, YES, there is a double standard, but not the one you imply.

The thing is assertive people --regardless of their sex-- do not scream or bully. Assertive people are quietly firm. Assertive people do not allow their own needs/wants to infringe into hurting another.
 
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February 21, 2006, 1:27 am PST

Abusive women

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I rarely watch Dr. Phil, not really my cup of tea but since today is a holiday and I was watching TV and the show cam on, it hit a nerve with me so I watched it. 

  

I was married to a royal bitch similar to the second guest with the husband. I was married to a woman similar to her for just over a year.  

  

When dating she was very nice and I loved her very much, she was the queen of my dreams, so I proposed to her and we got married. 

  

Right after our marriage things started to change, a month after we were married she got pregnant. 

She would bitch, nag, insult me and throw tantrums, like the second guest to get what she wanted, at first I gave in just to shut her up, try to make her happy and thought it was because she was pregnant . 

  

This abusive behavior contnued, it didnt take long for her 10year old daughter to start treating me disrespectful and try to use the same manupulative tactics with me. 

  

My Ex wifes behavior got worse and worse, so did the step daughters, the step daughters behavior got so out of control that she almost got kicked out of school. 

  

I was so happy to go to work just to get away from them both, the wife would call all day long at work nagging and bitching, then when I got hope it continued. 

  

Sometimes the wife was very nice and loving, usually when she got what she wanted. 

After the birth things really got bad, in the hospital with the baby she bitched and started screaming in the hospital room at 2 am so I left. 

  

When we got home she became worse, lots of people especially women said that its post partum and I bought into it thinking that it was temporary. 

  

about four months of things becoming worse and not better I started getting fed up with it and began to think is this worth it, I wanted to make the family work but under these conditions I knew it wouldnt ever work out. 

  

She threatened me over and over things like she would take the baby and I would never see my daughter again, her dad is this powerful guy and other crap to try to intimidate me. 

  

I guess she confused being nice for being weak and that she could manupulate me, but I was ready to go. 

  

Day after day she nagged me so much over something stupid and I told her we need to split, she could move in with her parents I would help her get back on her feet and we could split custody of our daughter. 

  

She said she would take the baby overseas and I would never see her again, I responded over my dead body. 

  

A week later she forced the baby on me and would not let me go anywhere, I wanted to take my 4 month old newborn out to the bookstore and some lunch. 

  

She flat out refused, while I was taking the baby and getting her ready she physically attacked me with the baby in my arms, she beat the crap out of me, while she was punching me hitting me and jumping on my back I managed to get her off of me, I never laid a hand on her. 

  

The police came and automaticly took her side they did not care that I was beaten with the baby in my arm, I had several inuries my shirt was ripped my glasses busted and all she had was a little tiny scrape on the knees. 

  

I was forced out of my own house and couldnt come home, all of a sudden I was homeless, she and her lawyer denied me visitiations of my baby for over 5 months, stole all of my stuff trashed it and gave it all away to her friends, moved her friends into my house, refused to give me my things and charged up major bills. 

  

I switched lawyers and things started to change, we are still fighting over the custody issues and she is still a nasty person (BITCH) to me. 

  

She thought she could break me and use the system against me to make me submit. 

Like I said she took advantage confusing kindness for weakness, but I am not a weak person. 

The love for my child is stronger then anything, that is why I am still standing and fighting for my rights. 

  

Unlike most guys that would give up or submit to the system, I will never give up because of the love of my child. 

  

She still continues to try to make me submit to her but it doesnt work. 

  

All I can say is being a bitch and being like the second guest is detrimental to any relationship and it will lead into only misery and that the bitch will become the real loser. 

  

I am convinced that the second guest and a woman like that who throws things and demeans her husband has probably commited domestic violence against him, and because the system is so distorted the man is probably afraid because of the social bias that men never get beaten or have domestic violence commited on them. 

  

I know there are alot of men who commit violence against women, I know first hand that women do commit domestic violence against men, but violence against men is not taken seriously and is very under reported. 

  

There is no excuse for any type of Domestic Violence whether its a man beating a woman or a woma beating a man. 

  

The only thing I can say is that a bitches like the guests on the show are very dangerous, not only to their husband, their family and themself. 

  

Bitches like them, if they dont change their attitude and negative behavior will only live a miserable life and like all three of the guests they will pollute other people, especially ones they are supposed to love with misery and will eventully be left either by the husband leaving them or dying of a heart attack, and they will die alone unloved and miserable. 

  

Dr. Phil is right, there is a big difference from being confident and being a bitch to make up for ones insecurity. 

  

Here are some helpful and informative links for people to check out 

  

http://domesticabusehelpline.org/Home.asp 

http://www.ifeminists.net/index.php 

http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/index.html 

http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2006/0104sacks.html 

http://www.dvmen.org/dv-34.htm#pgfId-1353321 

Your story is so sad. I've seen it all too many times too.  Too often have I seen a male victim kicked out of the house. Leaving a child with an abuser is child-abuse. Unfortunately police believe in child abuse in these cases.

For some reason these days  most people support a woman's right to be as abusive as she wants to be. Far too many women deeply believe in their right to be an abuser. Dr. Phil, sadly, takes a feminist stand which puts too much burden on the male victim and not nearly enough on the female abuser. This is a problem I've had with Dr. Phil since I first saw him on Oprah.

I pray you get your daughter away from the mother even as I realize the odds are strongly against it.
We live in a society which supports child abuse in order to support a woman's right to abuse any man. That is the heart and soul of the matter.
 
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