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Dr. Phil revisits the topic of what makes a good wife. Grant and Kelly first appeared on the show because Grant expected his wife to live up to his demanding standards. He wanted a cleaner house, better meals and a sexier spouse. After seven years, his constant criticism and disappointment had her ready to throw in the towel on trying to become the "perfect wife." Dr. Phil’s first talk with Grant and Kelly caused quite a stir as thousands of viewers wrote in choosing sides. How are Grant and Kelly now? Has Grant abandoned his critical ways and his expectation of having a Stepford wife? And why is he no longer wearing his wedding ring? Talk about the show here.

 

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February 21, 2006, 4:25 pm PST

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 Hi, I have some concerns about the way this young woman is feeling about herself.  I am the product of three husbank-pleasing divorces.   It is never enough.  You can do everything that the man would like you to do and do it as he would like you to do it and he still will leave if thats what he chooses to do.  The problem here(as I see it) and I am no expert, is that this perfectionist personality very seldom changes.  When his wife meets his expectations, or heaven forbid exceeds them, he will look for someone else that needs wife lessons.  Usually in my age group that is a younger, single mom who needs a strong, take-charge, kind of guy.  I wish this couple all the blessings in the world, but I feel it would more than likely just bring her more grief as he is already holding  the ring over her and does not seem to be aware that she has such feelings of inadequacy.  Just my humble opinion for what its worth.
 
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February 21, 2006, 4:26 pm PST

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There is a theory that exists in the civic government and law enforcement circles that is referred to as Broken Windows. To paraphrase it, a house with broken windows shows that no one cares. If neglected long enough, the house with broken windows will be assumed to be abandoned, invaded by mischief seekers (or worse) and rapidly decay from there. My interpretation of this theory is that attention to details is very important. Not every kid that witnesses his mother neglecting her home will become a drug pusher or a pimp on the south side of town. I think you really extended yourself making that kind of conclusion. But, what does it teach a kid about grooming and personal cleanliness when he or she grows up in a house kept in disarray. Children benefit from routines in their lives - go look it up in a book.
/quote/ There is a theory that exists in the civic government and law enforcement circles that is referred to as Broken Windows. To paraphrase it, a house with broken windows shows that no one cares. If neglected long enough, the house with broken windows will be assumed to be abandoned, invaded by mischief seekers (or worse) and rapidly decay from there. My interpretation of this theory is that attention to details is very important. Not every kid that witnesses his mother neglecting her home will become a drug pusher or a pimp on the south side of town. I think you really extended yourself making that kind of conclusion. But, what does it teach a kid about grooming and personal cleanliness when he or she grows up in a house kept in disarray. Children benefit from routines in their lives - go look it up in a book./unquoute/     Attention to details is important, as an engineer we hope that those bridges you built are built  to spec and strong and  hold up for years to come. we hope our doctors do not leave sponges in our chest when they operate, we hope our dentist take do care when  filling and repairing our teeth, and when  you drive we hope you are not on your cell phones or  putting cd's into your  stereo, and  are not under the influence.  There is nothing wrong with  paying attention to detail.   But  you seem to think one woman can  take care of every single detail 100%  in her home  and still manage to raise  healthy, happy , well adjusted children.  No one and I mean you too, can be  perfect in every aspect of their lives. And as a mother  Kelly's first priority is not a clean house or  well cooked meals. it is that they are safe and cared for, not  left to their own devices while mom  frets over the  ring in the tub or the  basket of unfolded clothes.  If you want a perfectly cleaned house  well  cooked meals  a nicely decorated home then I suggest you hire someone  to either care for your children full time , ie a nanny, or a housekeeper or cook.  When you  have so many varialbe in  your daily routine that can interfer with  what  happens in your  days activities, you cannot expect everything to be  perfect.  If you have to stop at the market to get  take out for dinner some nights so what, so the floors are not vaccumed  today or the bed made, you will not die and if those things matter to you so much  then why don't you make the bed or  put the laundry on to wash before you leave for work?  You have one job and you do it over the space of time, you are not expected to have plans drawn up  for some new project every single day, you   confer with others on the job and  allocate things to be done to others. Yet you seem to think that, that list of 75 things a wife should do  should be  the normal routine for the average woman with children to do. How about you  start m how about you fit in those dance lessons and learn to  cook mexican and   any number of the other things on  your list.  I have been married for  38 years  to the same man, who I am sure being a man of the 50's with a stay at home mother , figured I could be all those things too. But news flash I was not his mother I am not his personal maid or cook I am a person with needs also and desires and dreams and they do not all revolve around  a man, who thinks I am his personal maid cook, babysitter and  dare I say it, sex kitten.   I do not think any child  who grows up  with  a few dishes left in the sink or  their beds unmade or eating a pb%j sandwich for lunch,  or the floor left  unvaccumed for a week . or chairs not aligned  properly turns out to be a freak to society.  I think a child left feeling un loved  or cared about  becuase mom and dad  think living the perfect life is more important then they are  have more issuses to deal with.  The  truth is  you are born you live you die and if you spend your life trying to live to perfection and do not take the time to  find joy and love and laugher  in your life you are  living in a hell that death makes a welcome relief from.
 
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February 21, 2006, 4:27 pm PST

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I was really amazed how low these women's self esteem is, then realized why more women are leaving there husbands when in the past it was usally the husband who left.   I see why the switch. The young lady commented  "please help me be a better wife like the one's in the 1940's".  In the 1940' s women stayed at home and raised there children, there was time to cook clean and look gorgeous.   We are a two income society things have changed since the 1940's,  I work, and thankfully my husband and I are a team and work together to maintain a clean home help the kids with homework and we both bring home the bacon, his of coarse is a thicker slice, but non the less we work together find a balance in this crazy world we live in.  

 
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February 21, 2006, 4:27 pm PST

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In my up bringing I learned that a clean house is a HAPPY  house!!! My thoughts on the duties of a stay at home Mom are; they are responseable for the cleaning of the house , doing the laundry and making sure her husband and children have a good dinner. I have a family member going thru the same thing, but a t least Kelly is keeping the house clean, at least with children not in school. My family member goes to work 8-10 hrs. a day and comes home to a filthy home. He was not raised that way and I am sickened by the way he has to live. Now Grant needs to come home from work and take over with the kids,so Mom can finish with the dinner  and to let her go and unwind from the kids. Then when the kids are in bed then they need to spend time together. The husband shouldn't have to work all day and then be expected to come home and clean too.  

  

Now if they both work then they both need to share the household duties from cleaning to cooking and doing the laundry. The man shouldn't expect the wife to come home and clean and get dinner and take care of the kids when he is capable of doing the same thing. Now Grant is asking too much from Kelly when she needs to tke care of the kids.  

  

I tell my son"s that I was a single Mom and I worked 8 hrs. a day then I would come home and get the dinner for the boys and spend time with them before it was bedtime. Then when they went to bed I did my cleaning  and I had an hour or two for myself before I have to retire for the next day. My house was not white glove clean, but everything had a place.  So I am on Kelly's side,because she is doing the best she can and if Grant wants thing organized then he needs to take time on the weekends and help her to get it organized and things would start getting better. 

I agree I am a single mom and yes my house is clean it may not be tidy all the time but its clean and I believe my kids will remember the fun and love they had as children not how tidy the house was..........K
 
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February 21, 2006, 4:28 pm PST

Kelly, it's time to move on; Grant, Let her go

I watched the first show with Grant and Kelly and it incensed me. This one made me even angrier because nothing is changed and now he isn't wearing his ring. In fact I've never posted anything before, but this time I registered on the website just so I could post. Kelly, it's time to kick this guy to the curb and find someone to love you for YOU. You do not have to be perfect for someone to love you, respect you, and proudly wear the symbol of that love - his wedding ring. You deserve to feel loved and appreciated, not judged. Grant - Let Kelly go. It's clear that she's never going to live up to your grandiose expectations. Go hunt for your perfect wife - but do me a favor - show all the women you date your 75 point perfection list up front. I have a feeling that you're going to be looking for a long, long time.
 
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February 21, 2006, 4:28 pm PST

Life is about People

Grant needs to find his heart.  He is spending time caring about things and details that have no importance to the people in his life. A wife and mother isn't a chair straightener or a chef. A marriage is about two people loving each other and making their way forward in life and raising their children in a loving and supportive manner. I don't know about a single good marriage that has failed due to the house being messy or due to the quality of Wednesday night's dinner. What your children will remember and absorb is how you loved and hugged them and how you loved and hugged each other. They will remember the time that you spent laying on the floor playing games with them, not the times when you were busy dusting and cleaning the house. Don't wait until someone you love has an illness or an accident to realize that it's time together and experiences and support and love that matter.
 
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February 21, 2006, 4:29 pm PST

UR a saint Dr. Phil

Dr. Phil, 

I don't know how you do it! It's obvious, Grant does not see outside of himself. I think it is wonderful that you haven't given up on him and can be so patient discussing this with him. I hope Kelly realizes she's an awsome lady! And moreso I hope Grant realizes it too! 

Liz in FLA 

 
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February 21, 2006, 4:30 pm PST

Grant needs to wake up and smell the coffee

Grant needs a serious wakeup call.  If my husband every treated me the way that Grant treats Kelly, he would be doing his own cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc.  and sleeping by himself. 

  

I have a hunch that Grant does not wear his wedding ring because he doesn't want other women to know that he is married.  The statements that he makes to Kelly about not wanting to come home, gives him the escape that he needs to go meet up with other women.  The excuse that he used on the show for not wearing it is "a load of crap" 

  

Grant is literally a jerk.  Frankly I am surprised that their marriage has lasted 7 years. 

  

Kelly is not totally innocent as she has Allowed Grant to treat her that way.  As Dr. Phil has said many times, you teach people how to treat you and she has allowed this to go on for 7 years.  She needs to stand up to him and demand that he treat her as an equal, Not as one of his children by barking instructions to her. 

 
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February 21, 2006, 4:30 pm PST

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I swear, after watching that episode, I am very frustrated.  I just don't see why Grant doesn't GET it.  Does he see what a jerk he is?  NO woman needs to be a #1house cleaner, organizer, cook, sex kitten, service/repair person, and decorator, on TOP of being a mother to young children. 

  

It made me want to just take Grant by the neck and shake him a while.  What is HE doing around the house, since he expects so much out of his wife? 

  

I really think Dr. Phil needs to do some kind of wife swap with Grant, so he can see how good he has it and how great his wife really is for putting up with him.  Put someone from the bitchfest show in his house for two weeks and he may really change his tune.  :) 

  

lol.... I am laughing my butt off at this message.. way to go! I agree 100% !!! The wife swap with one of the bitchfest ladies is a great idea....
 
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February 21, 2006, 4:30 pm PST

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Dear Grant, 

  

I consider myself a Ninja mom. 

In my past  I have been a single, full time working/college student, mother of two boys. All this I balanced from '99 to 2005. In March of last year I remarried, and added a step-daughter to the mix. In May of last year, I discovered I was pregnant with a high risk pregnancy. I graduated magna cum laude Dec 17th, and gave birth to my daughter via c-section Dec 27th. In January I sold my previous home, bought a minivan, and paid off 1/3 of my and my husband's debts from the profits of my house sale. 

  

All this...I can do, and have done. 

  

But ... to clean, do laundry, organize, purge extra items from both houses AND nurture everyone- including nursing an eight week old colicy infant, blending 3 new step-siblings, and finding time for my husband who works 12-14 hours a day 26 out of 30 days?  

  

I am only human.  

  

And my husband loves me for it. 

  

One of the best things to happen to my marriage occurred about 2 years ago. My then fiancee was transitioning out of a 12 year military career as a major (which included graduating from, and later teaching and coaching at Westpoint.) He took 6 weeks off to job hunt while still on Army pay. At the time we had a teenage sitter to help him, while I was working all day as an ophthalmic assisstant and going to school. Even with the sitter's help, he could not get much done while I was at work. Our kids are older (one 8 and two 11), AND even spent half the time at their other parents house! It drove me crazy but I bit my tongue. Why?  

  

He will never under appreciate what I do as a stay at home mom now.  

  

Grant, please take this opportunity to grow. It seems like you genuinely wish to. And to help motivate you I want you to listen to this very carefully. My first husband was hyper-critical. Well, he still is but I don't have to worry about it anymore. That's his current wife's dilemma (and we all get along well, so I have heard that it is in fact still a dilemma.)  

  

Now here's the important part for you.  

  

He was my FIRST husband.  

  

If you don't want to own that title, I suggest you learn to relinquish your need to control and criticize. I married my first husband very young.  I was still a child in many ways who did need to learn how to be a good wife and homemaker. But rather than inspire me with his experiences as an adult on his own for many years, my first husband felt compelled to "teach" me through criticism and condescension. He wanted  to "fix" my faults, and inspire me to seek excellence. When he asked me why I would leave him when he thought the world of me I answered, "If you did I never knew it. It seemed to me you wanted to try to change me." His reply, "Everyone could use bettering."  Hmmm....he still felt compelled to be right about this even as I was walking out the door. 

  

Once again...my FIRST husband. 

  

My oldest son is a miniture version of his father. He has a wonderful ability to take care of those he loves just like his dad does. However, that tends to lean toward a need to convince everyone that he knows better how to do everything, and refusing to see there may be more than one way to do things.  My own father is the same way as well (yes Dr. Phil, I married my father the first time- how cliche!) Two years ago, my mom moved out after 40 years of marriage. When my son criticizes, corrects, and tries to "last word" me I ask him to name two men he knows who behave that way. He instantly grows quiet. He knows my next question all too well. Where are their wives? 

  

Grant my son's eleven. I work every day to help him not end up where you are. It is at times an exhausting journey.  

  

So in my marriage I hope to inspire my children to find what I have found...a loving...nurturing...giving...passionate...partner...only 

  

The FIRST time around. You are teaching your children what marriage is right now, at this moment. If you want them to have the marriage you have right now, keep on your previous path. If not? 

  

Keep moving forward from here. 

  

Goodluck, 

  

Grace 

  

 
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